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Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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There are numerous federal regulations concerning the manufacturing of cars.

Conforming to regulations are not the same thing as getting approvals/certification.

Your car needs to be certified to not spew shit everywhere in the same way your drug needs to be certified to not harm people who take it. For obvious reasons, one is far more expensive to test and certify.

Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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You'd be hard-pressed to make a system that keeps hospitals from being abusive. Your BATNA to accepting their terms is literally dying, and especially the older folks who need more care have giant piles of cash. The cynical profit-maximizer in that position will raise uninsured prices high until the losses due to "eff this, I'm declaring bankruptcy and my various creditors can squabble over my assets" outweighs the i…

I could design such a system overnight. Starting tomorrow instead of paying for medical care the US Medicare and Medicaid programs will simply cut a check to the people who they were previously funding care for. Then those people may choose to spend the money on anything they wish, healthcare or otherwise. The days of not being able to price shop are over, competition will drop prices through the floor. The hospital…

“Let me price compare my heart attack operation before I decide on which hospital I want this ambulance I found on Expedia to take me to before I die.”

I mean this nicely but sincerely, are you high?

Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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post #103

For a fantastic discussion about the Byzantine process for generic drug approval, I recommend a recent episode of EconTalk[0]. The guest wrote a book called "Drug Wars: How Big Pharma Raises Prices and Keeps Generics off the Market"[1]. When up to half a billion dollars of revenue is at stake, the drug companies have incredible incentives to delay or prevent generics coming to market. Believe or not, they often simpl…

> The drug companies will contract with a generic company that never, actually gets to production (wink, wink).

Sounds like I should setup shop as "generic drug company" and land me one of those contracts where I promise to never reach market :)

Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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Never forget being charged 14.99 for one Acetaminophen while in a hospital, and this was years ago. My father had good insurance. He went in for a spider bite. He needed to stay the night. I arrived and he thanked me for Teddy Bear, and flowers. I told him I didn't send you anything. He said, "Well someone did?" Weeks later he called me up, and said the gift shop on the hospital send the gift, and charged the Insuran…

One of the best rules for US hospitals (other than universal care) would be for all hospitals to publish prices annually and charge one set price, be it a walk in patient or large union. This should be a reasonable rule if people want to keep capitalist system healthcare. Its not stopping them competing, only applying a transparent and level playing field to the market.

Yep, transparency and charging all patients the same should be regulated. Then it barely matters if the system is private or public, because it would be so cheap that even the uninsured wouldn't go bankrupt from a surgery.

Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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Never forget being charged 14.99 for one Acetaminophen while in a hospital, and this was years ago. My father had good insurance. He went in for a spider bite. He needed to stay the night. I arrived and he thanked me for Teddy Bear, and flowers. I told him I didn't send you anything. He said, "Well someone did?" Weeks later he called me up, and said the gift shop on the hospital send the gift, and charged the Insuran…

One of the best rules for US hospitals (other than universal care) would be for all hospitals to publish prices annually and charge one set price, be it a walk in patient or large union. This should be a reasonable rule if people want to keep capitalist system healthcare. Its not stopping them competing, only applying a transparent and level playing field to the market.

IMO published prices including all applicable taxes and fees should always be posted. In particularly for consumer facing products.

I can't praise the EU enough for making this happen, and making sure said price is written big letters :)

Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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post #133
post #103

For a fantastic discussion about the Byzantine process for generic drug approval, I recommend a recent episode of EconTalk[0]. The guest wrote a book called "Drug Wars: How Big Pharma Raises Prices and Keeps Generics off the Market"[1]. When up to half a billion dollars of revenue is at stake, the drug companies have incredible incentives to delay or prevent generics coming to market. Believe or not, they often simpl…

> The drug companies will contract with a generic company that never, actually gets to production (wink, wink). Sounds like I should setup shop as "generic drug company" and land me one of those contracts where I promise to never reach market :)

Finally, a career fitted to my sharp ability to never follow through on goals.

Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conforming to regulations are not the same thing as getting approvals/certification.

Your car needs to be certified to not spew shit everywhere in the same way your drug needs to be certified to not harm people who take it. For obvious reasons, one is far more expensive to test and certify.

Is the food in your local supermarket certified to not harm people to eat it? It's regulated, and the FDA can inspect to verify compliance with regulations, but suppliers do not have to get approval from the FDA to ship.

Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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This article makes it seem like drug companies alone are responsible for predatory pricing in US healthcare, with hospitals being somehow on the consumer's side of the issue. In reality US hospitals are just as guilty of predatory behavior. If they do achieve lower costs through a new generics company, I do not trust them one bit to pass on the savings to patients. Why would they?

For one, a significant number of of hospitals are non profit. Excess earnings must be invested into hospital itself in the form of capital improvements and additional staff. Controlling costs is a way of reducing their own need to spend this excess money.

Giving themselves huge salaries is another way for non-profit CEOs to put into good use the excess money.

Re: Fed Up with Drug Companies, Hospitals Decide to Start Their Own

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I don't need government approval to start manufacturing cars. Why for generic drugs? Note that you're paying plenty for having the FDA as gatekeeper.

You actually do need approval for selling cars -- EPA and CARB. Similar organizations worldwide.

For emissions, but not for safety. My understanding is the NTHSA does not actually approve a car for sale in the US, it just requires that the manufacturer certify it meets the regulations.
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