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Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2

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This is an interesting position that I am quite conflicted about. From the conclusion of the original post it seems like he/she would prefer company that brings in high salary jobs not to relocate to the area if the company itself would not be employing people that originated from the area for those high salary jobs. This is because he/she perceived that there is no benefit to the economy since the local does not get…

"The Times reported in July that 74 projects were under construction in downtown Seattle. Two-thirds of the buildings will be residential towers, with most being apartments for rent, not condos...Seattle has gone from one of the most affordable West Coast cities to one of the least, Aaron Terrazas, a senior economist at Zillow, told CNN Money. The city and developers have tried to alleviate that by building tons of a…

The problem is that average rent increasing isn't actually a good metric on how it is affecting the cost of living for people that previously lived there. This sounds unintuitive at first, but turns out to be fairly simple.

The first thing to consider is that the density on new construction for these is significantly higher - a lot of land that had 80 units before might now have now have an additional 640. Most of these apartment buildings downtown are building up significantly higher than previous places. Going from 4 stories to 30+. Some seriously tall high rises.

And then it's a good thing that these are targeted as luxury accommodations, because they're making the high income newcomers their targets - that means there are fewer of these newcomers targeting the existing housing increasing that price.

Now, you have luxury housing that exists in much higher quantities than the previous housing - this has a disproportionate impact on the city average, but doesn't say anything about the impact on the majority of existing housing outside of these new constructions.

That isn't to say it hasn't gone up as well, but you have to look at how much the supply of this existing housing has contracted and if that contraction has pushed the demand up enough that those prices have significantly increased as well. This isn't captured in looking at the average rent price of the city.

Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2

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This shows how unsuitable most American cities are for opening a large high-tech office. Ideally, Amazon should be searching for a city according to their existing tax laws. Exceptions should not be needed. In fact, if a city gives breaks to Amazon, they should amend their laws so that the same deal is available to every citizen.

Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2

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NYT walked through a process of elimination and concluded it will be Denver. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/09/upshot/where-...

As a Colorado resident, I'd love for them to pick anywhere BUT Denver. We already have major issues with homelessness, and rapidly rising cost of living. Our highways and infrastructure are beyond congested already, and our public transit is pretty half assed. If Amazon is going to build HQ2 here, they better help contribute to improving public transit, creating affordable housing, and help improve the highways to ha…

I live in Denver and don't drive. I would love more infill and higher density! Perhaps if the campus took over the Elitch Garden's space I would hope that a lot of the new workers would stay downtown and hopefully many would be without car.

Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2

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It's already known what Amazon pays. I don't care where I'm located, they had better be paying me at least that well.

That’s not how labor markets work. Amazon engineers in Boston and Seattle will certainly be paid more on average than engineers from Pittsburgh or Atlanta.

Why not? I mean, if they can't get people to work for less wages, they have to offer higher ones.

Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2

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> Google HQ2 is rumored to be looking at Dallas. Do you mean Apple? Dallas should be a very credible option, even if it might be #2 in Texas, behind Austin.

Austin's airport makes it difficult to see that city working for Amazon. I hope it goes anywhere but Dallas! I live in Dallas.

What's wrong with ABIA?

It's a reclaimed airforce base with new facilities and better service ratings than LAX or JFK.

Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2

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It's interesting how little culture figures in to this conversation. It seems to me that the North and the South (Canada aside) are drastically different in ways that will really matter to a lot of people. I don't work at Amazon, but my family and I would not feel fully safe or comfortable living in Texas, Tennessee, Georgia or North Carolina.

The cities in these states are not that different from cities anywhere else. I would be very surprised if you faced any additional discrimination in Nashville or Dallas than you would wherever you are feeling is a safe place. By the same token, rural New York and California are extremely conservative and have much of the same issues you seem to be worried about with the South.

The rural/urban divide is present as you describe in every state, but the difference is in some of the states listed as undesirable for minorities, the rural people outnumber the urban people and filled the state legislature and executive political offices with bigots based on the anti-other laws/regulations and anti-urban regulations(preventing urban regions from making anti-bigot rules) that made national news from Texas and North Carolina. That sets the tone for the conversation, not how urban/rural areas are alike across the north/south.

Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2

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I remember reading an article earlier in the year talking about how (1) No city is going to have every characteristic Amazon was asking for so (2) this is really about how much the city is willing to work with Amazon in long-term development plans. From that perspective, some of the cities isn't surprising. For example, I grew up in Columbus, OH and I know that one of the AWS regions is located in the greater Columbu…

Austin has one rail line and buses - what solution could they come up for mass transit?

Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2

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I agree it's a massive list to have said they've whittled it down much, but I can see some misses. St Louis isn't there, Detroit isn't there, Tampa and Orlando aren't there, Milwaukee isn't there, Phoenix isn't there, Houston isn't there, Minneapolis isn't there, Baltimore isn't there. They put out far too big of a list of candidates, but they have apparently ruled out just as many major metro areas.

I'm fairly certain that given Target already has a hold of Minneapolis, there's no way they'd allow Amazon to move in on their turf.

The governor's father co-founded Target and his sons still own a large share. The subsidy per Amazon employee in the Minneapolis HQ2 bid was $100 compared to $12,000 when the Best Buy HQ was built and $150,000 when the new Vikings stadium was built.
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