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An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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> " In other words, gravity would be asymptotically safe if the theory at high energies remains equally well behaved as the theory at low energies. In and of itself, this is not much of an insight. The insight comes from realizing that this good behavior does not necessarily contradict what we already know about the theory at low energies (from the early works of DeWitt and Feynman). " But what are the actual expecte…

You would observe the theory not blowing up. :)

The key feature she never names is known as a "UV fixed point".

UV = UltraViolet, which in this context simply stands for "high energy".

Fixed point... for that you need to know that the effective values of coupling "constants" aren't actually constant in quantum field theory; they depend on the interaction energy (i.e. how hard you bang your particles together). So they are called "running" coupling constants. Yes, it's contradictory.

That dependence on interaction energy is described by differential equations (known as the renormalization group flow equations, which may sound impressive but is actually a misnomer), which you can integrate to see how a coupling measured in the lab at low energy will change when your descendants finally get enough funding for a larger accelerator.

One interesting behavior is the coupling going to zero when you increase the energy towards infinity. That happens in QCD: counterintuitively, the harder you bang quarks together, the less they affect each other (via QCD, that is; they also have other kinds of interactions which behave differently). So QCD is called "asymptotically free": in the limit of infinite interaction energy, as far as QCD is concerned, quarks are free particles, completely unaffected by each other's presence.

In asymptotic safety, as opposed to freedom, the coupling does not go to zero as you increase the energy; instead, the rate at which it changes goes to zero, and it does so at some finite value of interaction energy. So, as you crank up the interaction energy toward that value, the coupling constant "runs" slower and slower, and once you get there, it stops "running" altogether. From there on, you can raise the interaction energy all you want, and the coupling constant stays... constant.

And that is a UV fixed point.

Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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> The theory called asymptotically (as-em-TOT-ick-lee) safe gravity was proposed in 1978 by Steven Weinberg. Would a person interested in an article about quantum gravity not be familiar with the term asymptotically?

Moreover knowing the pronunciation doesn't give you any help if you don't know the meaning.

Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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I think it is relevant to consider gravity from a more abstract standpoint as well by looking at Le Sage's theory and particularly Hyugens' comments. [1] Whether gravity is mediated by a graviton, and the intricacies that QM brings to bear, one interesting idea I took from the above hundreds of years of thought on the subject -- gravity may be a pushing force mediated by constant spherical wave emission (quantized as…

This is one of the many kinetic theories of gravity. It's very old. No scientist nowadays believes that kinetic theories could really work in this realm. This is mostly of historic interest only.

I'm aware of that-- but no one is sure about how the graviton operates. So though the kinetic part might not be very realistic or all that relevant anymore, the other parts still are.

Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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Gravity is measurement of the distortion of space, caused by mass. It is an emergent property. The more massive something is, the more its gravity will distort the space around it.

So, a small piece of rock that you can hold in your hand, will cause a gravitational ripple in the space surrounding it. This is similar to how the Earth causes a gravitational ripple in the space around it, and it keeps us grounded to the ground. But, the Earth causes a much bigger gravitational ripple, than a small rock.

And we as humans, are grounded to the Earth, as if we are at the bottom of this massive and invisible whirlpool. We cannot see it, but this whirlpool is rotating all around us, and we cannot get out. It is easy for us to move around horizontally, but it is very difficult for us to move vertically. Unless we can move horizontally so fast, that we can reach escape velocity, and then, we orbit the Earth.

That said. What is gravity? Why does mass cause a ripple in the space around it?

I wonder if gravity is just some type of neutral electro-magnetic force. Kind of like the magnetic field lines that you see with the North pole and South pole. But instead of being magnetically charged, it is neutrally charged, and it affects everything around it equally.

Or, instead of being magnetically charged like the North or South pole, it is gravitationally-charged, and the direction points in only one way, into the center of your massive object. And unless you are moving faster than that massive object's escape velocity, then you will always be stuck in that object's gravitational ripple.

If we can truly understand what is gravity, then I wonder if we can create a counter gravity. Like, in your spaceship, if you can create a negative mass above you, then it would cause your spaceship to act buoyant in the planet's atmosphere. And you can use thrusters to move around vertically, as easy as you can move around horizontally.

Or, maybe you can create a temporary blackhole above your spaceship, and instead of your spaceship falling into the gravitational ripple caused by the Earth, then it becomes attracted to the gravitational ripple caused by your blackhole. And this causes your spaceship to rise, and defy the Earth's gravity.

Anyways. I'm not a gravitational physicist. Maybe I should take this idea, and write a novel. There has been much worse Sci-Fi ideas created, like Time Travel, or the ridiculous many-worlds-interpretation theory of quantum mechanics.

Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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Gravity is measurement of the distortion of space, caused by mass. It is an emergent property. The more massive something is, the more its gravity will distort the space around it. So, a small piece of rock that you can hold in your hand, will cause a gravitational ripple in the space surrounding it. This is similar to how the Earth causes a gravitational ripple in the space around it, and it keeps us grounded to the…

From a physics perspective, the many-world, as ridiculous as it sounds, is a more sound theory (believed to be correct by some top physicists) than negative gravity.

The explanation of why gravity is only positive is a complex one, but physicists believe it's almost axiomatic.

This doesn't mean that you can't have repulsive type of effects, similar to one of the contributions that's believed to make the universe expand more quickly than with the simple 4 fources (often called fifth force, maybe related to dark energy, and to the rate of the universe expansion acceleration).

PS. There are a number of Sci-Fi stories that use this idea, including a famous one from Asimov, in which if I recall correctly the normal gravitational force was working negatively when traveling in FTL speed. Obviously that seemed fishy but the book was cool (Nemesis).

Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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post #5

I'm not a particle physicists by any means, but doesn't any theory of gravity have to deal with 'real' infinities at high energies from the physics we already know? We have some idea that black holes are a type of singularity (something that could possibly called an infinity). With E=MC2 we have an idea that if you apply enough energy to a particle it can become massive enough that it becomes a singularity itself.

The issue is not only about mass. Any mass could form a black hole, the main point is about mass density, and that's not trivial to obtain.

That aside, real infinities is a vague concept. What's important is that any theory of gravity has to deal with the fact that the current understanding of classical gravity and quantum field theory make (when you combine them) a theory that has problems at the Planck scale. Those are problems that any theory of quantum gravity or every theory of everything have to deal with.

But it doesn't mean that those potential theories would have any infinities. Such a theory, though, has been very elusive.

With the exception of string theory, which is the leading theory in terms of its success, most theories tend to have fundamental problems. String theory research is certainly not complete, but it's in my opinion currently the best shot we have. Online, and in academia, you can find lots of very opinionated discussions about it, which include aspects of testability, predictivity, etc. which means that some people really dislike string theory and prefer other approaches.

Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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Gravity is measurement of the distortion of space, caused by mass. It is an emergent property. The more massive something is, the more its gravity will distort the space around it. So, a small piece of rock that you can hold in your hand, will cause a gravitational ripple in the space surrounding it. This is similar to how the Earth causes a gravitational ripple in the space around it, and it keeps us grounded to the…

> And this causes your spaceship to rise, and defy the Earth's gravity.

Won't it cause the surrounding atmosphere to cave in to the negative-gravity source as well?

Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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> The theory called asymptotically (as-em-TOT-ick-lee) safe gravity was proposed in 1978 by Steven Weinberg. Would a person interested in an article about quantum gravity not be familiar with the term asymptotically?

Moreover knowing the pronunciation doesn't give you any help if you don't know the meaning.

That bothered me as well (pronouncing rather than defining)

Re: An old theory of quantized gravity is gaining new life

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> " In other words, gravity would be asymptotically safe if the theory at high energies remains equally well behaved as the theory at low energies. In and of itself, this is not much of an insight. The insight comes from realizing that this good behavior does not necessarily contradict what we already know about the theory at low energies (from the early works of DeWitt and Feynman). " But what are the actual expecte…

You would observe the theory not blowing up. :) The key feature she never names is known as a "UV fixed point". UV = UltraViolet, which in this context simply stands for "high energy". Fixed point... for that you need to know that the effective values of coupling "constants" aren't actually constant in quantum field theory; they depend on the interaction energy (i.e. how hard you bang your particles together). So the…

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