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Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by reaperducer »

hrasyid wrote: post #67
raverbashing wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> using general fund money to build highways You're forgetting about trucks (and other service vehicles), and though trains are better, you can't have trains everywhere > providing free/underpriced parking in every downtown in the US Downtown is predominantly paid parking, and not underpriced either

> Downtown is predominantly paid parking, and not underpriced either Yes but the vast majority of American cars don't park in downtown.

The message he was replying to included this:

> underpriced parking in every downtown

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by sundvor »

olivermarks wrote: post #65
sundvor wrote: post #43

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Collapse of EV sales in Norway? Quick, someone needs to call Tesla about that.. https://electrek.co/2017/12/19/tesla-breaks-new-records-norw...

https://www.ft.com/content/fe6b79d4-af31-11e7-aab9-abaa44b1e...

That's paywalled for me. However going by the title, that's old news as the tax was shot down at the end of the year.

https://e24.no/makro-og-politikk/statsbudsjettet-2018/tesla-...

EU may enforce VAT on the cars, time will tell:

https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/i/nkkxd/Ap-vil-ha-...

We'll see how that goes. Fun fact: Norwegians don't like EU telling them what to do. (I'm a Norwegian, moved to Australia nearly 2 decades ago).

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

akgerber wrote: post #40
ceejayoz wrote: post #24

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> Singapore and Hong Kong for example, which are otherwise libertarian paradises. Wait, what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/hong-kongs-bus...

Half of Hong Kong's population lives in public housing, as does 82% of Singapore's population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Hong_Kong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore Which probably reflects that people are more willing to be exposed to market fluctuations when their basic necessities are met by the state.

If they didn't do that, everyone who wasn't rich would be forced out of those cities, or would have to live with their parents and not have any kids (in Singapore's case). It has more to do with the unregulated market that public housing was necessary (and in Singapore, it really isn't the public housing you are used to).

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by colde »

reaperducer wrote: post #69
martin_bech wrote: post #48

This is an article from this summer. The negotiations ended at a tax rate of 85% for cars priced up to 185.000 DKK about 30.000USD. And 150% tax for the rest. There are som deductions for safety ratings, mileage etc. but these are now the current taxrates for cars. Beware before the car tax, the cars are subject to 25% sales tax. So expensive cars are +25% + 150%. (it used to be even worse)

Once you pay that tax at purchase, is there also annual registration fees? A few of the American states I've lived in have charged annual taxes based on a car's worth (decreasing over time). I hope you don't get nailed every year!

Yeah, there are an annual registration fee as well. Spread over to payments a year. It isn't much though, and it depends on how environmentally friendly your car is. I think the lowest rate is approx 200 USD pr. year.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by olivermarks »

sundvor wrote: post #72
olivermarks wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.ft.com/content/fe6b79d4-af31-11e7-aab9-abaa44b1e...

That's paywalled for me. However going by the title, that's old news as the tax was shot down at the end of the year. https://e24.no/makro-og-politikk/statsbudsjettet-2018/tesla-... EU may enforce VAT on the cars, time will tell: https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/i/nkkxd/Ap-vil-ha-... We'll see how that goes. Fun fact: Norwegians don't like EU telling them what to do. (I'm a Norwegian, moved to Australia near…

They re not sure when to reduce the tax but sales have gone down anyway, probably in anticipation of changes

'Norway has been hugely successful in introducing electric cars and aims to sell only zero-emission new vehicles by 2025. But critics argue that their popularity is mostly down to an extremely generous set of subsidies that can cut the price of the most expensive Teslas by about NKr450,000.

When and how to withdraw those subsidies has sparked a huge political debate. Some Norwegian politicians point out that many of the early adopters of electric cars were rich households buying Teslas. Bus drivers in the richest parts of Oslo complain that bus lanes are clogged with electric cars, which are permitted to use them'.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

olivermarks wrote: post #75
sundvor wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's paywalled for me. However going by the title, that's old news as the tax was shot down at the end of the year. https://e24.no/makro-og-politikk/statsbudsjettet-2018/tesla-... EU may enforce VAT on the cars, time will tell: https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/i/nkkxd/Ap-vil-ha-... We'll see how that goes. Fun fact: Norwegians don't like EU telling them what to do. (I'm a Norwegian, moved to Australia near…

They re not sure when to reduce the tax but sales have gone down anyway, probably in anticipation of changes 'Norway has been hugely successful in introducing electric cars and aims to sell only zero-emission new vehicles by 2025. But critics argue that their popularity is mostly down to an extremely generous set of subsidies that can cut the price of the most expensive Teslas by about NKr450,000. When and how to wit…

Uhm, it is not exactly subsidies in Norway, but a reduction in a very high tax for EVs, making them comparatively more affordable than ICEs.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by andys627 »

colde wrote: post #74
reaperducer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once you pay that tax at purchase, is there also annual registration fees? A few of the American states I've lived in have charged annual taxes based on a car's worth (decreasing over time). I hope you don't get nailed every year!

Yeah, there are an annual registration fee as well. Spread over to payments a year. It isn't much though, and it depends on how environmentally friendly your car is. I think the lowest rate is approx 200 USD pr. year.

> Isn't much... $200/yr.

For comparison: California $83/yr. Nevada $33/yr.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by kn0where »

raverbashing wrote: post #36
andys627 wrote: post #17

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They're not excessive - they're more in line with true cost of car dependent society. In the US we shower subsidies on car owners. Some examples: using general fund money to build highways, charging low gas taxes that don't cover cost of maintenance of roads, providing free/underpriced parking in every downtown in the US, undercharging for pollution and other negative externalities of driving, requiring minimum amoun…

> using general fund money to build highways You're forgetting about trucks (and other service vehicles), and though trains are better, you can't have trains everywhere > providing free/underpriced parking in every downtown in the US Downtown is predominantly paid parking, and not underpriced either

Many highways could have fewer lanes if there weren't so many commuters taking space away from trucks, etc.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by SheepSlapper »

Drdrdrq wrote: post #34
ebbv wrote: post #22

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I obviously don't know where you live, but it sounds crazy to people in the US because in most of the US public transportation an bicycle infrastructure is not where it needs to be to make them viable for daily life. In places where public transportation is better (like say NYC), car ownership is the exception rather than the rule. The reality is cars have a massive public cost that we all subsidize via various taxes…

> so that 1 hour (or longer) commutes via car are not the norm. Is this really the norm in the states? Is this just home -> work route or does it include dropping off kids, shopping,...? Genuinly curious...

It takes me 40 minutes one way to get to/from work, more if the traffic sucks. The US is spread out, not having a car is not an option for a majority of our society (outside of high population density cities).

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by jonknee »

andys627 wrote: post #77
colde wrote: post #74

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Yeah, there are an annual registration fee as well. Spread over to payments a year. It isn't much though, and it depends on how environmentally friendly your car is. I think the lowest rate is approx 200 USD pr. year.

> Isn't much... $200/yr. For comparison: California $83/yr. Nevada $33/yr.

More comparison: Seattle $597 a year (just got my bill recently, vast majority pays for transit expansion)
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