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Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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post #129

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I'm in the same boat as you. I hate politics and back-stabbing environments. Why can't everybody just do what it's supposed to do in a work environment?

People who "hate politics" tend to create a lot of it. Being politically savvy/expedient is as much about knowing how to get along with people as it is getting what you want.

As much it is not about hating politics but hating mischievous backstabbers. Getting along with people does not mean licking their behind. People who instead of spending most time licking someones bottom instead of doing actuall work are problem. Also they spend their time thinking how to throw someone under the bus instead of adding value.

So beeing savvy/expedient is not a problem.

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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> people were saying the same exact thing about Trump before he took office and we are now all very sure it's not the case Don't be so sure. First, he outsmarted both political parties to become the most powerful man in the world. And in his first year as president, he's been far more effective at getting things done than most. The fact that some people dislike the things he's getting done doesn't take anything away…

If the recent book is to be believed at all, we now know that the person that Trump outsmarted most of all was himself. He never intended to actually win.

Trump's whole persona is about winning brashly and bigly. It's ludicrous to think that he entered a race he didn't intend to win.

> If the recent book is to be believed at all

It isn't to be believed, literally at all.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/367902-dont-believe-m...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/03/mi...

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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post #123

Personal anecdote, but I wonder if my experience as a junior officer in the Navy helped with this. The last comments in the piece are that intelligent leaders should 1) seek creative metaphors and 2) speak charismatically. Coming to the fleet from a bachelor's in physics, I knew I was reasonably intelligent, but also that there were some people much smarter than me (at least my battered ego assured me of that). So, w…

I have to ask... Why did sailors try to drive through the closed base gate and test 440V circuits with their fingers?

I don't know. Why do we push files to production on a Friday evening? Why do we snipe hot-fixes into production via FTP? Because we are all crazy & lazy bums, I would guess.

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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Maybe the title should be "Why Really Dumb People Dislike Really Smart Leaders". "Talk to them like they're five" is what that suggestion sounds like to me.

There's a difference between metaphors and speaking down to someone. When I talk about topics in CS or mathematics with my girlfriend or some members of my family, I speak in metaphors. I don't speak to them like they're five. I speak to them like they're intelligent people who have a model of the world that is different than mine or the things I want to discuss, and I relate my work or interests to their models.

Plenty of people don't talk down to 5 year olds. That's an assumption you've made regarding 'explain like I'm 5'.

Ironically, that's what makes 'explain like I'm 5' so useful - it takes away the assumptions people have in their heads and forces them to use simple language and explain things from first principles.

It's quite powerful really. Richard Feynman was famous for being to explain physics in a way a layman could understand. Neil deGrasse Tyson does the same and people love it.

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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post #99

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this is a crock. it was a crock when it was written and it's still a crock now. the idea that someone can for 8 years in the spotlight disguise themselves so much so that appear wholly opposite is ludicrous. it takes months for professional actors to produce 90 minutes of performance - the guy was on camera for literally weeks. he's not "smarter than you" this kind of revisionist nonsense is politically motivated - p…

Do you think you could become president of the US if you just wanted to? Probably not. Trump is smart. I would be in literal, not figurative, disbelief if any president in the history of modern US weren't. The competition for that position is very sharp and only the best make it. There are many problems with Trump, but IQ isn't one of them. Hitler wasn't dumb either. Being a good demagogue is hard. The strategy and s…

Some of Trump's advisers are not to be underestimated. Their brilliance is in using Trump -- who has off the charts emotional intelligence -- as a president. They frame the issues, he taunts and captivates the press.

I would point to the incredible power struggle in the white house as a product of the undue behind-the-scenes influence.

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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> people were saying the same exact thing about Trump before he took office and we are now all very sure it's not the case Don't be so sure. First, he outsmarted both political parties to become the most powerful man in the world. And in his first year as president, he's been far more effective at getting things done than most. The fact that some people dislike the things he's getting done doesn't take anything away…

> And in his first year as president, he's been far more effective at getting things done than most. Citation (other than him or his spokespersons) needed.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-top-9-accomplishmen...

http://blog.dilbert.com/2017/11/13/president-trumps-2017-rep...

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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I'm a smart leader, and I am disliked. And it's this exact tone that they dislike most.

They feel I lack empathy, but empathy is why I do it.

And when someone likes me, I know they know we know what's up. That's also why I do it.

I find those who work hard to be liked creepy. I also find managers and supervisors who are paid to be your friend disingenuous. And I'm not going to butter someone up before I tell them they made a mistake. The last thing I want is to spoil them or keep them in a bubble. But I'll also tell them to focus on the problem, and not themselves. Don't be part of the problem.

Being liked is work in business. In our private lives it's personal preference, but you can also choose your friends. Professionally, it's a strategic decision, because it will inevitably involve people you may struggle to like personally.

The prevalent anti-intellectualism does intellects injustice more than anything else. Many would rather be spoiled than informed. They'd rather protect their ego than gain competence. They'd rather be forgiven than corrected for their mistakes. And they'd rather be paid for being who they are, than be told they need to work or put in the work.

No one is paid for being who they are, not even celebrities. We're all being paid for our work. Our image is part of our work, even for non-celebrities.

Anti-intellectualism is also at the root of anti-professionalism. And it's a huge issue in America.

Out of pragmatism, out of optimism, and out of empathy, I am sorry, but I choose to be unapologetically professional.

I am the apologetic asshole.

And that's what's up.

(didn't expect this comment to turn out this way, but I'm submitting it anyway)

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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post #5

When I was a kid my family would often chide me for using "big words" and told I was trying to "impress everyone" doing that. The truth is, I was just trying to relate something I'd learned and thought was interesting and every time that happened I was kind of shocked and left wondering how they'd missed the gist of what I was talking about. My own mother did it. I finally stopped sharing things I thought they'd atta…

What (most) people don't understand is that these kids are not trying to impress! It comes naturally to them and telling them that just contributes to isolate them even more. Being an outlier is already a lonely place. In the end you can only communicate with people at the same intelligence level (or whatever you want to call it) as you.

At least of a similar range level yeah. Withing comfortable distance instead of an uncomfortable or insurmountable one.

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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post #5

When I was a kid my family would often chide me for using "big words" and told I was trying to "impress everyone" doing that. The truth is, I was just trying to relate something I'd learned and thought was interesting and every time that happened I was kind of shocked and left wondering how they'd missed the gist of what I was talking about. My own mother did it. I finally stopped sharing things I thought they'd atta…

You've got to know the audience. One of the great unsung benefits of going to a regular public school is you learn how to deal with dumb people. And when you're out in the world, outside of the above-average bubbles a lot of us find ourselves in, there's a lot of dull-normal people out there.

It's totally overrated skill. After school you are never forced to stay where dumb people are. You can just move. Average people are easy enough to deal with even without suffering dumb people on daily basis for ten or so years while dealing with your own process of growing up.

Re: Why People Dislike Really Smart Leaders

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post #66
post #31

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Lots of more precise words are not particularly 'big' words. One shouldn't have to pre-edit one's thoughts to pull out the better word because it doesn't fit into a typical 5th grade education. I love older British children's literature because it doesn't do this at all- it expects the kids to learn new vocabulary along the way. Check out 'Peter Pan'- the verbiage is no different than if it was targeted to an older a…

I agree. But I think people who get angry about someone using big words tend to have quite a low bar for what is considered a big word.

More importantly they're worried about status rather then listening or being curious.

If someone's verbiage goes over your head you ask them to define it for you.

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