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Yeah, joy from inflicting harm is sadism. Author probably just wanted to use the word schadenfreude. It's a really fun word.
German has some awesome words: glockenspiel, gesundheit, blitz, panzer...
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Let Me Ruin This for You: The Schadenfreude of Criticism
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, joy from inflicting harm is sadism. Author probably just wanted to use the word schadenfreude. It's a really fun word.
German has some awesome words: glockenspiel, gesundheit, blitz, panzer...
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Re: Let Me Ruin This for You: The Schadenfreude of Criticism
#23>disinterested critical discourse is really just a willful schadenfreude? I think the writer has misunderstood the word "schadenfreude". He seems to understand it as "joy you get from hurting somebody else". I always understood SchadenFreude to mean "the joy you get from somebody else's loss or other misfortune" - with no active participation by you in causing it.
Yep. Frankly the whole article felt like watching a little kid put on adult pants and try to convince the adults to take them seriously.
Kind of ruined the article for me, thanks.
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#24>disinterested critical discourse is really just a willful schadenfreude? I think the writer has misunderstood the word "schadenfreude". He seems to understand it as "joy you get from hurting somebody else". I always understood SchadenFreude to mean "the joy you get from somebody else's loss or other misfortune" - with no active participation by you in causing it.
Yes, that's exactly how you would use it in German. The word itself actually consists of 'Schaden' (damage/harm) and 'Freude' (joy/pleasure/happiness). In case someone gets 'damaged', you'd feel joy and experience 'Schadenfreude'. If your car-addicted neighbor annoying the whole neighborhood with his 400 HP engine would run over his own cat, you'd experience 'Schadenfreude'. You'd still feel sorry for the cat though…
In German, is it also used in a darker sense, as the counterpoint to envy? For example, an acquaintance goes on what would be your dream vacation, but is plagued by illness.
I hope this article is not a sign that we are losing the word in English to people who want to affect erudition, as we don't have a good native substitute (and that is not because English speakers do not have such emotions!)
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, joy from inflicting harm is sadism. Author probably just wanted to use the word schadenfreude. It's a really fun word.
German has some awesome words: glockenspiel, gesundheit, blitz, panzer...
...Claudia Schiffer, Heidi Klum, Julia Stegner, Diane Kruger,...
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#26"But all critics think they’re doing the world a favor. If they didn’t believe this delusion, criticism wouldn’t get written."
I disagree, some people just like to burst bubbles. I think it makes them feel better.
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#27The author is essentially saying that criticism is a tool to hurt others. I find this idea interesting, and worthwhile to think about. A question I now have is, in this theory, who does one want to hurt exactly? Is it always the subject of my scorn I want to hurt with criticism, or is it more complicated than that - if I rant about Java on Twitter (I don’t do Java dev anymore), who do I want to hurt? Java devs? Oracl…
I understood the article a bit differently: if you rant about Java, don't pretend that this is only to educate other Devs and open their eyes to sad realities. There is another, less benevolent side to it, a destructive side, that on purpose does not attempt to weigh pros and cons, but focuses on the shortcomings only.
Obviously, if your rant is well presented, lovers of Java will have a hard time keeping up their love. And knowing this might give you additional satisfaction.
So criticism is not primarily a tool to hurt others, but recognizing the involved hurting aspect is essential to understand the whole dynamic of criticism, and its very personal nature.
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#28There's no discussion possible without the confrontation of ideas, which means that criticism is vital for any progress. And also getting seriously hurt by criticism might be a warning sign that one's having some deeper ego issues. No one likes it, but grownups are supposed to be able to cope with the fact that others don't share your ideas... either by re-evaluating your own views, or by ignoring others'.
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#29- Schadenfreude
- Kindergarten
- Doppelgänger
Was just about to ask if anybody knows more German words used by the English language, but then I googled and found this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_German_expressions_...
Re: Let Me Ruin This for You: The Schadenfreude of Criticism
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, that's exactly how you would use it in German. The word itself actually consists of 'Schaden' (damage/harm) and 'Freude' (joy/pleasure/happiness). In case someone gets 'damaged', you'd feel joy and experience 'Schadenfreude'. If your car-addicted neighbor annoying the whole neighborhood with his 400 HP engine would run over his own cat, you'd experience 'Schadenfreude'. You'd still feel sorry for the cat though…
In German, is it also used in a darker sense, as the counterpoint to envy? For example, an acquaintance goes on what would be your dream vacation, but is plagued by illness. I hope this article is not a sign that we are losing the word in English to people who want to affect erudition, as we don't have a good native substitute (and that is not because English speakers do not have such emotions!)
Without having more details, I generally wouldn't say one would feel Schadenfreude in your example.
Now, if your acquaintance is obnoxious or is putting everyone down for not being able to afford their dream vacations, then yes, Schadenfreude would apply.
In more general terms, you don't feel Schadenfreude whenever something bad happens to someone. There has to be a sense of "Well, that guy had it coming".