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Bitcoin’s energy usage is huge – we can't afford to ignore it

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Sincere question: what's the energy usage for e.g. USD or EUR?

It's zero. Exchanging banknotes or coins for goods or services does not consume electricity. Can't believe this was "sincere question".

Are you kidding me?

Cost to print/replace notes?

Cost for teller's, ABM's, security personnel.

List goes on and on.

As if you said "0".... you think the Laws of Thermodynamics can be violated.

The quality of posts here is awful and manned by the technically inept.

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I posted on FB while working on my degree and got a 5 year memory about it recently. I visualized the miners turning the polar bears black, and I was a good liberal who turned off my lights. Ethics would win. "It was a cool prototype" that I forgot about. Every CS student can figure this out, so it's surprising that we've let it go. Incentives, right.

Polar bears have black skin with white fur

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's zero. Exchanging banknotes or coins for goods or services does not consume electricity. Can't believe this was "sincere question".

I think it's a fair question; each transaction of paper money causes wear so it might make sense to amortize the cross of minting over each transaction. Plus transactions between banks would use some energy. One can only assume the energy cost is negligible per transaction compared to bitcoin though, simply because if you scale up the transaction volume of bitcoin to what a real economy would need it's more than we p…

Not to mention adding all of the overhead for legislation, note and coin design, sorting, transporting, anti-counterfeiting...

Re: Bitcoin’s energy usage is huge – we can't afford to ignore it

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I posted on FB while working on my degree and got a 5 year memory about it recently. I visualized the miners turning the polar bears black, and I was a good liberal who turned off my lights. Ethics would win. "It was a cool prototype" that I forgot about. Every CS student can figure this out, so it's surprising that we've let it go. Incentives, right.

Polar bears have black skin with white fur

My car has steel panels with white paint. It's still a white car.

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Sincere question: what's the energy usage for e.g. USD or EUR?

It's zero. Exchanging banknotes or coins for goods or services does not consume electricity. Can't believe this was "sincere question".

what about running bank of america and visa?

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Sincere question: what's the energy usage for e.g. USD or EUR?

> Sincere question: what's the energy usage for e.g. USD or EUR?

Using VISA transactions for fiat currency, BTC uses 5K times more energy per transaction than VISA.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ae3p7e/bitcoin-is...

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Sincere question: what's the energy usage for e.g. USD or EUR?

It's zero. Exchanging banknotes or coins for goods or services does not consume electricity. Can't believe this was "sincere question".

The lights at the bank of america HQ don't keep themselves on.

Financial transactions are more than just exchanging pieces of paper in person.

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Sincere question: what's the energy usage for e.g. USD or EUR?

It's zero. Exchanging banknotes or coins for goods or services does not consume electricity. Can't believe this was "sincere question".

Coindesk did a write up of this.

https://www.coindesk.com/microscope-real-costs-dollar/

Looks like data was taken from places like: https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/policy_and_exchange_rates/ba...

and rest of the numbers were taking into account of how much each note costs to make.

"The Euro publishes sustainability statistics on their currency, and according to latest estimates, 3 billion banknotes printed in 2003 had an equivalent energy impact of 460,000 60W bulbs switched on for a year, which equates to 240 million kWh, or 0.87 million GJ. With circulation now at 15.8 billion notes, this would scale up to 4.6 million GJ (European Central Bank, 2007). To get to a global figure, for the purposes of this report, I will be multiplying this figure by a factor of four (i.e. a proportional share of global M0/M1 money supply). Therefore, we reach a figure of 18.4 million GJ, which would correspond to almost 3.07 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent."

This is just making a bank note, nothing about cost to distribute (guarding money, banking system, credit system).

Re: Bitcoin’s energy usage is huge – we can't afford to ignore it

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Sincere question: what's the energy usage for e.g. USD or EUR?

Irrelevant question though, in many ways. There's simply no chance that bitcoin is replacing fiat money. I realize that offends the bitcoin True Believers, but fiat money is not going away unless nation states go away, and if that happens there's some more issues we have to deal with than the cost of a transaction.
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