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Luna 1.0 Beta is out

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Re: Luna 1.0 Beta is out

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Post by executesorder66 »

wdanilo wrote: post #35
moondoge wrote: post #24

Be aware, before downloading: This application will not run without providing an e-mail address. It also forces data collection. I will not use such software.

@moondoge, if you don't want to provide your mail, just write anything in this field, we do NOT validate it in any way. However, we would be very thankful if you provide your real mail address, so we can track how Luna is used and improve the experience. Every data we collect is described here: http://www.luna-lang.org/alpha-data.html . We try to collect only insensitive data, that tell us how Luna is used and how we…

> if you don't want to provide your mail, just write anything in this field, we do NOT validate it in any way.

So why don't you just make it a non-required field? I don't appreciate your attitude towards user privacy, so I will never use any of your products.

Re: Luna 1.0 Beta is out

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Post by aldanor »

Fnoord wrote: post #90
kustosz wrote: post #2

Hi, I'm one of Luna founders, I'll be happy to answer any questions! :)

Are you aware of the existence of the Lua programming language, and the word "lua" meaning "moon" in Portuguese?

"Luna" also means "moon" in most Slavic languages so it looks like it's intentional.

Re: Luna 1.0 Beta is out

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Post by wdanilo »

kabes wrote: post #98

It's cool technology, but if I take a look at an example of a simple react todo list in a similar project like flowhub: https://app.flowhub.io/#project/c111454c9fd2f74d37d1e8a4e739... This looks more complex, harder to reason about and harder to make than just writing the code. And it only gets worse as complexity increases. But of course I've got way more mileage writing code than doing this.

@kabes there is a BIG difference between Luna and NoFlow. Luna is purely functional, immutable, lazy, has double representation you can switch any time. NoFlow is visual layer over imperative, mutable JS without ability to swithc reprs. These features dictate how easy it is to do something in the language. You cannot judge a language by trying another slightly similar, its like telling "I don't like Python. I've been programming with Cobol and it was awful. Python is also textual so it's a no-go for me". I strongly encourage you to try Luna and I would be more than happy to discuss your thoughts about it. In fact, there are many people who prefer working in Luna's visual environment when processing data, discovering what is inside data and building high-level components. If you're building something low-level it is sometimes easier to do it in text - you can then just write Luna code instead and use nodes for high level data processing.

Did I address your concerns?

Re: Luna 1.0 Beta is out

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Post by bane »

kustosz wrote: post #2

Hi, I'm one of Luna founders, I'll be happy to answer any questions! :)

I've worked with a few visual dataflow language tools like this in the past, and there's definitely an important place for this kind tools in many environments -- this is beautiful work! I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but just want to throw in some support.

One of the problems I've seen with these tools in the past is that they tend to live in very niche places and not get much public exposure. I'm very happy to see a publicly available tool out there.

Re: Luna 1.0 Beta is out

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Post by xvilka »

It can make an interesting addition to Cardano (ADA) smart-contracts platform for designing visually formally safe programs for their distributed virtual machine.

Re: Luna 1.0 Beta is out

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Post by wdanilo »

kobrad wrote: post #97

This thing is a nightmare to install and uninstall. The installer is 170 megs and downloads god knows what, there is no uninstall, and when you try to do it manually you see it spawned three or four processes without letting you know. This is incredibly amazingly malware like if you ask me

The installer is 170mb after unpacking - it is just an electron app (for providing you GUI) connected to our installation manager. The command line installation managar is very lightweight (around 2mb) - we will provide it as an alternative to the graphical one. We will try to make the electron app smaller. The installer downloads Luna Studio - The graphical environment and Luna compiler and installs it on your computer (according to our docs: https://luna-lang.gitbooks.io/docs/content/installation.html). If you want to uninstall it at the moment, just delete the ~/.luna folder - that's it. We will provide option for it in the next installer releases. What spawned processes are you talking about? We spawn processes for our typechecker and other services (like undo-redo manager), but they should be killed if you exit Luna ... until you are on Windows. When you are on Windows the processes are registered globally in order not to ask for root password everytime you start Luna Studio. We would love to chat with you about how can we improve it, Windows support needs the biggest love right now.

Re: Luna 1.0 Beta is out

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Post by wdanilo »

samuell wrote: post #99
kobrad wrote: post #97

This thing is a nightmare to install and uninstall. The installer is 170 megs and downloads god knows what, there is no uninstall, and when you try to do it manually you see it spawned three or four processes without letting you know. This is incredibly amazingly malware like if you ask me

$ du -sh .luna/ 671M .luna/ Pretty browseable directory, to be fair. But yeah, would be nice with some more clear indication of where the installation is going, from the installer. Now I found the location in this thread.

Samuell, please note that we are shipping Luna together with Atom.io app. Look at `.luna/config/luna-studio/1.0/atom/packages/luna-studio/lib`. The main Luna Studio lib is around 35mb on my computer. There is also a compiler and some small plugins. Everything else are npm's node_modules and Atoms ecosystem. We will distribute Luna Studio without Atom in the future, then it will be super-lightweight.

Does it make sense to you?

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