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Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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How about fixing 6 year old bugs, which mean you can't search for the word "wedding"? This kind of thing is why I left thunderbird. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752844 At the least do a pass over old bugs and let us know if they will ever be fixed, or close them.

I agree, before redesigning the UI they should fix the functionality.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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Former Thunderbird user here. Much more important than shiny new UI, what I'd like to see is seamless out-of-the-box syncing with online calendars and contacts . (At one point, I tried all the available add-ons for syncing with Google's apps; none of those add-ons worked well for me.)

Importantly, since this is a Mozilla project, that service should be self-hostable [1] to disintermediate the multi-device synchronization platform. It should not be necessary to have a third-party observe all my contacts and calendars. [1] https://github.com/mozilla-services/

Since this is a mozilla project it should buy a proprietary service for an undisclosed amount of money and force it down the throat of everybody with no option to self host (pocket).

And this should happen to avoid using an already available open source project that works well and you can self host (wallabag).

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

#133

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Exactly. How about not losing scroll position when switching tabs? Better spam filtering? How come threaded view doesn't work for mails sent by Outlook? (I know we have Microsoft to blame for that, but a workaround should not be impossible to conceive since Outlook somehow manages that already.) I suspect the people getting excited about a face-lift don't really use Thunderbird very often.

Can't one fork Thunderbird and make it what they want? Or at the very least fix bugs for them? I'm not current on its development workflow.

One has to be a coder, able to deal with the current state of code and the many changes to come, while having a load of free time to maintain the fork.

I mean my 90 years old grandma is a decade long thunderbird user and she absolutely unable to make thunderbird the way she wants. She is 100% dependent on mozilla's good will.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

#134
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This redesign is just playing around with colors, background images and minor visual adjustments to the message view. Nobody needs this. I was hoping for a redesign of the UI, the ways you interact with your mails. This is one of those „look, I played around in Illustrator“ things, not „I thought about the problem“.

> This redesign is just playing around with colors, background images and minor visual adjustments to the message view. Nobody needs this. Some UI components do need rework. Redundant search fields, password dialogs that fail to track the login state, etc. It also strikes me as very odd that someone states that nobody needs UI work on a GUI app, particularly when GUI components make between 50% and 75% of thjs sort o…

I have yet to recover from last time they reworked the UI, so it's not that obvious that a rework is needed or good.

I don't remember how long ago this UI rework happened that added opening email in a tab, but to this day I still get called because "something's wrong with the computer, I can't read my emails " and I just close the gajillions opened tabs in thunderbird to fix the issue.

It improved through time as a significant portion of my users' email moved from desktop to tablets.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

#135

This survey is clearly manipulative and designed to get the results they want ("please give us the new shiny design"). The designs are shown at different resolutions: Note how the text on the old one is clearly readable, while the new one is completely unreadable. Additionally, the new design is given a much higher screen. This makes the old design look much more crowded, and obfuscates the fact that you can't fit mo…

It's quite obvious that it's marketing and that the survey is biased towards the new UI design.

Though I'm not sure it has been intently designed like this. Hanlon's razor tells us this probably happened because of incompetence and being clueless. IMHO it reflects the survey authors bias more than a malicious intent.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

#136

I have the feeling that the Open Source community left the email world a while ago. There is almost nothing happening there. You may argue that it's because email is a solved problem by now, but I don't think so: Setting your own personal email server? Still a hassle to do correctly. Full text search a la Gmail? You can forget it. Threaded conversations across folders? Not for you. Hosting a webmail? Good luck findin…

There are work in progress right now, e.g. trojita[1], caliopen[2], kube[3], ...

Setting up your personal email server correctly hassle free: mail-in-a-box[4]

Most gmail features requires losing all expectations of privacy and as such are not desirable or feasible. That said IINM full text search already exists in kde's kmail.

I have no use for threaded conversations across folder, so I have no suggestions for this, sorry.

Maintained opensource webmails do exist, e.g. roundcube[5], mailpile[6], rainloop[7], zimbra[8], ...

Non thunderbird desktop clients do exist too: claws[9], sylpheed[10], kmail[11], mail[12], geary[13], ...

[1]: https://trojita.flaska.net/

[2]: https://www.caliopen.org/en/

[3]: https://kube.kde.org/

[4]: https://mailinabox.email/ and https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox

[5]: https://roundcube.net/

[6]: https://www.mailpile.is/

[7]: https://www.rainloop.net/

[8]: https://www.zimbra.com/

[9]: http://www.claws-mail.org/

[10]: http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/

[11]: https://userbase.kde.org/KMail

[12]: https://github.com/elementary/mail

[13]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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Why does the survey ask "does it look trustworthy"? I voted the middle "4", because I don't understand the question.

Because it's a marketing survey concerned about the perceived image of the product and because the survey is fully biased towards the redesigned UI.

The survey begs the following answer: the new redesign UI will give thunderbird a bigger market share.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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While this describes me pretty well, I have to admit an (optional) conversations view would be pretty useful.

Try the Thunderbird Conversations add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-con... It resembles the old Gmail interface, and it's open source.

Or don't, as we have seen recently relying on addons to add missing functionalities may not be viable through time.

Thunderbird will soon add support for webextensions, who knows what will happen of the legacy extensions further than short term ?

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

#139

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I had to stop using Thunderbird because it became ungodly slow and just unusable. I consider that a bug.

I consider that a local problem that only you have. None of the several person using TB daily for more than a decade have encountered this kind of performance issue. What have you tried to find the cause of your performance issue ? Have you tried making a new user profile to test if your local profile got somehow corrupted ?

Yes, I've tried many things, including a new profile. Compacting would help for a few days. Thunderbird just doesn't seem to do well with large mail archives going back more than a decade. That is my experience and the experience of others.

Also, I've met many people who experience similar performance issues, so I find it bothersome that because you've never encountered it you're asserting it does not exist.

This is also an issue that's span multiple machines and multiple clean installs.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to stop using Thunderbird because it became ungodly slow and just unusable. I consider that a bug.

I consider that a local problem that only you have. None of the several person using TB daily for more than a decade have encountered this kind of performance issue. What have you tried to find the cause of your performance issue ? Have you tried making a new user profile to test if your local profile got somehow corrupted ?

Add me to your new list then. TB starts up in ~1min. Sometimes it will just hang for a few minutes while updating emails/calendar. (Can't switch to its window) Sometimes it will take 10s+ to dismiss a meeting reminder. Sometimes the meeting reminder can't be dismissed. Sometimes it will get confused by filters working slowly and both beep for a new message and then immediately move it away.

There are bugs upstream for all of those. They're up there for years.

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