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Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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Gold is highly volatile.

Volatility only exists in comparison. BTC and Gold in one graph: http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/59975b50f1a85079738... I'd say in this comparison gold is the stable option.

No, it doesn't. Volatility is defined in terms of an asset's past prices, not in terms of other assets.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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I disagree. I have made a clear delineation in the semantic content of my definitions, while you continue to attempt to confuse the issue.

I mean, the definitions aren't yours to make. These words exist in the dictionary.

Writers of dictionaries are archaeologists of language. They do not prescribe the meaning of words like a programmer or mathematician. Their definitions are posterior to language. The definitions are in fact mine to make, provided they result in successful communication with people who have adopted similar definitions.

Go read my original post again. I am advocating against ambiguity in language, as this serves to obscure analysis. You are clearly happy to obliterate distinction, however, and have made no attempt at a positive argument why it is beneficial to discourse.

Language is a constant negotiation about the meaning of words, and I have made my position clear.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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This is naive of Buffet when his only evidence of a "bad ending" is the existence of a massive rally. The entire near-future automated economy depends on programmable money. There is literally nothing interesting happening in FinTech right now apart from the crypto space.

“entire near-future automated economy depends on programmable money” It also depends on banks and states signing up to that vision. We have seen zero adoption on that front. On top of that, it still does not explain the hundreds of alt coins.

Isn't there some adoption of ripple among banks? Then again ripple isn't decentralized like Bitcoin.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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I mean, the definitions aren't yours to make. These words exist in the dictionary.

Writers of dictionaries are archaeologists of language. They do not prescribe the meaning of words like a programmer or mathematician. Their definitions are posterior to language. The definitions are in fact mine to make, provided they result in successful communication with people who have adopted similar definitions. Go read my original post again. I am advocating against ambiguity in language, as this serves to ob…

I'll bow out here, but I'll just point out that this is a great example of how one's adherence to their ideas makes rational conversation impossible.

We can only communicate to the extent that we agree on the definitions of words, so for you to invent your own definitions, which contradict how other people use the word, as codified in dictionaries, then there's zero hope of reaching shared understanding.

It would be absurd for me to claim that "the sky is brown", the later argue that I was right all along because I'm defining "brown" to be "blue".

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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Just like with dot com burst, it doesnt mean someone will turn the lights off forever. Just like the internet eventually got mainstream and websites are being bought and sold for billions these days, same way BitCoin will never be at 0,001 cent with nobody touch it with a long stick.

Sure, if you cherry pick. What ever happened to the supposed value of "hot" domain names? Right, we got search, and got used to typing in weird strings, and stopped caring about owning car.com or whatever.

If you own car.com i would gladly pay $500,000, maybe more. Please DM me.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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Your analysis is wrong. Startups and crypto investments can be seen as bets and a 10x increase in favor of you is a lot. And you are not taking into account the effort factor: startups are hard while storing some cryptoassets works even when you sleep. Not saying this will work forever, just saying that many people found it lucky to enjoy the momentum.

> Your analysis is wrong. Startups and crypto investments can be seen as bets and a 10x increase in favor of you is a lot. So you think a 1000% increase in likelihood to win the lottery is meaningful? I’m not saying a 1000% increase is insignificant relatively speaking. I’m saying that in the absolute context, it can be essentially meaningless. Which circles back to my point: you should add an absolute context to you…

Depending the game you are playing 10x is a lot.

> you should add an absolute context to your numbers instead of just saying you know more cryptocurrency millionaires than startup millionaires.

My intention is not writing a paper here in HN but showing an observation that impacts the life of people around me because like it or not they can spend the rest of their life doing whatever they want at an scale I have not seen in my lifetime in an underdeveloped country like Argentina.

Beyond all your calculations it is something singular to note and that is why I mentioned it here.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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Writers of dictionaries are archaeologists of language. They do not prescribe the meaning of words like a programmer or mathematician. Their definitions are posterior to language. The definitions are in fact mine to make, provided they result in successful communication with people who have adopted similar definitions. Go read my original post again. I am advocating against ambiguity in language, as this serves to ob…

I'll bow out here, but I'll just point out that this is a great example of how one's adherence to their ideas makes rational conversation impossible. We can only communicate to the extent that we agree on the definitions of words, so for you to invent your own definitions, which contradict how other people use the word, as codified in dictionaries, then there's zero hope of reaching shared understanding. It would be…

I will simply point out that at every opportunity, I have been upfront about what definitions I am adopting and the distinctions I am attempting to make, while you have done nothing but dissemble and create ambiguity, without offering a positive program of your own. I will leave it up to other readers to make their own conclusions.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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Might some argue that some of the capital being placed in these currencies, whether they're by clever millionaires who studied whitepapers, or Uber drivers (as the anecdote goes) who jumped in after taking out a line of credit on the house, is investment in some of the companies behind the tech? For example, BTC companies like Blockstream funded things like satellites, while the Ethereum founder has been donating mon…

No, by buying some cryptocurrency you're not investing in the company behind the tech (if there even is one) at all . If the currency does well but the company does badly, you still win. If the currency does badly but the company does well, you still lose. You're exposed to the fluctuations of the currency, and completely unexposed to the valuation of the company.

Sure, there's that aspect. But the angle here is that they can take some of the capital transferred to them via crypto currency purchases to then use to directly invest in, and one thinks that by doing so they could well choose to invest in the ventures or areas that might increase the likelihood of the potential success of the currency. Which theoretically goes back to you.

I'm not trying to sugar-coat or rationalize the mania, only trying to explore the idea that this is both and neither gambling and investing.

I think people object to the idea that money used to purchase crypto currency in the first place is capital.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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I'll bow out here, but I'll just point out that this is a great example of how one's adherence to their ideas makes rational conversation impossible. We can only communicate to the extent that we agree on the definitions of words, so for you to invent your own definitions, which contradict how other people use the word, as codified in dictionaries, then there's zero hope of reaching shared understanding. It would be…

I will simply point out that at every opportunity, I have been upfront about what definitions I am adopting and the distinctions I am attempting to make, while you have done nothing but dissemble and create ambiguity, without offering a positive program of your own. I will leave it up to other readers to make their own conclusions.

If I say "the sky is brown", am I being up front that I'm defining "brown" to be the color of the sky?

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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If the threat of regulation drops it 25%, that's not a very good store of value or medium of exchange.

Compared to some currencies, it is. Brazil Real has lost 80% of its value relative to the dollar since 2013. I think this is overdone considered the last time Korea threatened regulation it only fell 10%.

USD quoted in BRL achieved a minimum of around 1.96 BRL in 2013. Currently it is 3.23 BRL. So the Brazilian Real has lost 40% of its value relative to the dollar, not 80%.
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