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Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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If the threat of regulation drops it 25%, that's not a very good store of value or medium of exchange.

Non sequitur. That only means that it is not a good store of value from before being regulated to after being regulated. If however, governments figured out some standard harmonized regulations and consistently enforced them, then afterwards there would no longer be a threat of regulation. In fact, getting regulation applied might actually reduce volatility, because the uncertainty about the threat of regulation woul…

By that logic if it goes to zero there technically is no uncertainty about the price nor any volatility

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

#72

Time to buy. Down from what price since January? Cryptocurrency is a long term play from a software and financial engineering vantage. It also continues to irritate the hell out of banks (bank accounts are being closed and restricted from exchange transfers, including coinbase) and general investors. It's not liquid enough yet, creates no need for middle men and Bitcoin itself is now being manipulated by futures cont…

Ahh the "time to buy cheap coins" rally of the die-hard bitcoin shysters. Your own post says "It's not liquid enough yet, creates no need to middle men and Bitcoin itself is now being manipulated by futures contracts based on supply being increased artificially." Does that sound like buying now is a good idea? Doesn't to me... Bitcoin is, was and always will be a highly manipulated penny stock. It spiked from $1000 t…

What do you mean "no reason"? Supply and demand are the reasons the prices are shaped the way they are. It's a near perfect market.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

#73
post #53

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> Naive speculators The problem with this characterization is when enough people lose their shirts on leveraged crypto purchases, a problem of individual finances becomes one of collective policy. I'd be careful with dismissing the problem as one contained to the stupid. There was a thread on the front page, earlier, where multiple commentators were equated the odds of a massive and permanent Bitcoin crash with that…

> Korea may already be at the point where a 50% sustained drawdown plunges a significant fraction of the population into hardship. That, in turn, could trigger a recession. That seems unlikely. Something like 2M of 51M people have any crypto there, and only a small fraction would be overextended significantly. Anyone buying a couple months ago would still be up.

> Something like 2M of 51M people have any crypto there, and only a small fraction would be overextended significantly

How do you know that?

For traditional securities, we have margin and prudential lending rules. These systems aren't perfect. But they incorporate lessons from crises past. One of those lessons is about how system risk can grow exponentially unexpectedly quickly.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

#74
post #44

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As the blockchain grows ever larger the thing gets more and more useless as a currency. Just look at how long it takes a transaction to confirm.* It's digital Beanie Babies. * https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-confirmation-time?timespa...

>As the blockchain grows ever larger the thing gets more and more useless as a currency. Just look at how long it takes a transaction to confirm. Blockchain size and confirmation times are two entirely different things.

Good to know, what is it based upon? I know you can spend coin to prioritize a transaction, is it formulaic?

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

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post #49

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Naive speculators are buying cryptocurrencies on their credit cards without understanding the volatility https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/bitcoin-b...

Not everyone that buys with credit card does so because they don't have money. Many people do this because this is the fastest way to move money to an exchange. Wire transfers to exchanges sometimes wait for weeks before they are confirmed.

No public, known, good investment suddenly becomes a bad investment in a few weeks, unless something terrible happens in between.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

#78
post #30

If the threat of regulation drops it 25%, that's not a very good store of value or medium of exchange.

Compared to some currencies, it is. Brazil Real has lost 80% of its value relative to the dollar since 2013. I think this is overdone considered the last time Korea threatened regulation it only fell 10%.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

#79

Time to buy. Down from what price since January? Cryptocurrency is a long term play from a software and financial engineering vantage. It also continues to irritate the hell out of banks (bank accounts are being closed and restricted from exchange transfers, including coinbase) and general investors. It's not liquid enough yet, creates no need for middle men and Bitcoin itself is now being manipulated by futures cont…

Ahh the "time to buy cheap coins" rally of the die-hard bitcoin shysters. Your own post says "It's not liquid enough yet, creates no need to middle men and Bitcoin itself is now being manipulated by futures contracts based on supply being increased artificially." Does that sound like buying now is a good idea? Doesn't to me... Bitcoin is, was and always will be a highly manipulated penny stock. It spiked from $1000 t…

Efficient Market Theory is dead. There is no zero sum game. In the Markets things do not work based supply and demand but on perceived supply and perceived demand. Based on what I've learned I'd rather work with crypto than stocks or other more manipulated trading vehicles.

Re: Bitcoin Fall Extends to 25% as Fears of Crackdown Linger

#80

Time to buy. Down from what price since January? Cryptocurrency is a long term play from a software and financial engineering vantage. It also continues to irritate the hell out of banks (bank accounts are being closed and restricted from exchange transfers, including coinbase) and general investors. It's not liquid enough yet, creates no need for middle men and Bitcoin itself is now being manipulated by futures cont…

Yes, but what? Ripple's seen maybe the biggest loss, but it's not clear that part of its loss isn't due to decreasing confidence in the underlying, which is bad if you want to BTFD. Same can be said for many others. Though if you look at todays charts e.g. in ETH, it's clear someone's probably made good money intraday buying dips.

Does it even matter? Everything went up LTC for example went from 3$ to 360$ Just wait till everything goes to the bottom and diversify between the top coins put them on an usb stick an forget about them until the next wave.
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