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Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

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Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, this. I think cryptocurrencies are here to stay. I'm not convinced that's actually going to "positively affect the industry in the upcoming future". I don't think cryptocurrencies are going to remove the need for some big middleman like Visa to sit between individual consumers and their partners. Things like reversible transactions and on-demand small loans are too attractive to the median consumer, so someone…

>Central banks have their issues, to be sure, but I'm pretty sure they're better than the huge boom & bust cycles they replaced. Are you implying central banks are not cyclically prone to "booms and busts"?

No, I'm implying that central banks are less prone to booms and busts than not having central banks. Just because they're an imperfect solution doesn't mean they're not addressing a real problem.

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

#72
post #69

Isnt the author, well, supposed to keep his private key private? It was quite easy to create a text file with that 1b0be2162cedb2744d016943bb14e71de6af95a63af3790d6b41b1e719dc5c66 key and "geth account import key.txt" into a ethereum wallet to get a seemingly valid account. Please tell me that i am missing something very important here.

Uh, do you expect there to be any money in there?

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

#73
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not seeing the whole picture and don't understand the goal of the "coin" in a "blockchain". I would strongly urge you to do some research so that you can make up your mind from a place of knowledge instead. http://github.com/jpantunes/awesome-cryptoeconomics

Your comment isn't very helpful. How about your share some of your insights about the "whole picture" instead of posting some giant list of random links about something called "cryptoeconomics". To me, cryptoeconomics currently seems to consist of designing unscalable systems to convert fiat currency into CO2 and useless digital tokens, some of which can manipulate other useless digital tokens, etc, all achieving pre…

Let me know if any of the articles below serves the purpose better for you.

https://medium.com/@jpa_of_snc/blockchain-the-revolution-wil...

https://medium.com/@jpa_of_snc/ethereum-the-machinery-of-cha...

edit: at least you could read the definition of cryptoeconomics....

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

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post #64

I don't understand the transit example presented in this article. I feel like I am missing something fundamental about the utility of any of these distributed services backed by their own type of coin. For the transit example you have some people who want to request rides, and some people who want to provide rides. OK. Someone develops an application to process these requests, in some kind of bidding system... How ar…

This - all things that can by done by SomethingSpecificCoin can be equally well done on smart contract platform ala Ethereum.

There is no reason (except for rewarding founders and early investors) someone who want to provide taxi rides own specialized mining equipment for maintaining blockchain of a proprietary coin.

I rode a taxi few months ago, and I don't remember having to change my currency for a TaxiCoin which would be the only token the taxi driver accepts. In fact, it is illegal for him not to accept the national currency.

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

#75
post #5

I hope the technology matures beyond 'blockchain' and marketing drops the 'coin' moniker and the gold rush dies down. Cryptographically verified distributed log files should have negligible hype value and be hidden part of the infrastructure. I predict that 10 years from now normal relational databases have infrastructure for shared, authenticated and verified rows and columns and we laugh at the ICO era.

I view the current cryptocurrency wave as proof of concept experiments of some very exciting technology. Building blocks that allow new design oportunities for things that were not viable or easily previously.

Hopefully we do leave the laughable ICO era behind, and even if traditional relational databases get cryptographic features, but I feel the sum of capabilities the new technology can offer is larger than that.

I'm unsure if incentives (the coins) must be a part of every application of this technology. I was open to thinking that it might not, but recently saw this presentation from a Andreessen Horowitz's partner [1] where he strongly asserts that yes, it must, and I'm thinking he might have a point.

[1] https://a16z.com/2017/12/08/summit-crypto-alex-rampell/

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

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post #55

Is anyone else tired of hearing the word 'bubble' applied to everything? Whether we're talking about tech stocks, chicken futures, tulips, or Bitcoin, it's become a really tired and meaningless term. You can't know if an asset is in a 'bubble' until long after the bubble has burst. Bitcoin is far from having burst, so this article and all those that came before it offer nothing new or insightful. Please, let's move p…

A 40% drop in any other asset price would already be considered a deflated bubble.

Not when it increased by 100% over the last 3 months...

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

#77
post #69

Isnt the author, well, supposed to keep his private key private? It was quite easy to create a text file with that 1b0be2162cedb2744d016943bb14e71de6af95a63af3790d6b41b1e719dc5c66 key and "geth account import key.txt" into a ethereum wallet to get a seemingly valid account. Please tell me that i am missing something very important here.

Well that wallet address is empty now anyway! Looks like someone got ~.01 ETH.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x6c2ecd6388c550e8d99ada34a1cd5...

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not seeing the whole picture and don't understand the goal of the "coin" in a "blockchain". I would strongly urge you to do some research so that you can make up your mind from a place of knowledge instead. http://github.com/jpantunes/awesome-cryptoeconomics

There's a reason this "CLEARLY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" has become a meme [1]. It's a card readily pulled anytime someone is critical of the crypto hype. What I've found more often to be true is proponents of crypto hype lack basic finance and economic knowledge. There's a reason most economists aren't on the crypto bandwagon, and it's not because they're afraid of it. [1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTawkY2X0AU6k84.jpg…

If you think the tokens on a blockchain serve no useful purpose then "CLEARLY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" the blockchain.

Try something different; show me that you know how a blockchain works and you understand the purpose of the tokens.

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

#79
post #64

I don't understand the transit example presented in this article. I feel like I am missing something fundamental about the utility of any of these distributed services backed by their own type of coin. For the transit example you have some people who want to request rides, and some people who want to provide rides. OK. Someone develops an application to process these requests, in some kind of bidding system... How ar…

This - all things that can by done by SomethingSpecificCoin can be equally well done on smart contract platform ala Ethereum. There is no reason (except for rewarding founders and early investors) someone who want to provide taxi rides own specialized mining equipment for maintaining blockchain of a proprietary coin. I rode a taxi few months ago, and I don't remember having to change my currency for a TaxiCoin which…

It can be equally well done with a Postgres database.

Re: Beyond the Bitcoin bubble

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post #72
post #69

Isnt the author, well, supposed to keep his private key private? It was quite easy to create a text file with that 1b0be2162cedb2744d016943bb14e71de6af95a63af3790d6b41b1e719dc5c66 key and "geth account import key.txt" into a ethereum wallet to get a seemingly valid account. Please tell me that i am missing something very important here.

Uh, do you expect there to be any money in there?

Well, it would have been to hillarious if there was, but it was transferred about an hour ago. :D
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