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China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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>Xian can experience heavy pollution in winter, with much of the city’s heating relying on coal.

Have they tried to filter directly the air at the source of pollution? For instance, placing filters on the coal heating facilities. It should be more efficient, as you wouldn't release as many particles in the air in the first place.

Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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post #11

>Xian can experience heavy pollution in winter, with much of the city’s heating relying on coal. Have they tried to filter directly the air at the source of pollution? For instance, placing filters on the coal heating facilities. It should be more efficient, as you wouldn't release as many particles in the air in the first place.

Article mentions coal based heating being a big culprit, which is most likely used residentially in homes and small businesses.

Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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So... to drop the PM2.5 amount by 15%, this tower must be removing many many tons of particulate matter every day. How is it removed from the filters they speak of? How expensive is that to do? I have some questions about the practicality.

On the other hand, I wonder if anyone's ever built a 100m placebo before. It could be a really interesting university study on the placebo effect in disguise.

Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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Side node: is China doing ok in terms of innovation? If yes, how come in such a regime? I would expect everything to be stuck in bureaucracy.

China is authoritarian on political issues but extremely laissez faire on almost everything else, which is how they grew their economy so quickly but also got into this pollution mess in the first place. There is a bureaucracy for sure, but you can often ignore it if you are prepared to ask for forgiveness rather than permission (or they eventually crackdown).

Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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post #11

>Xian can experience heavy pollution in winter, with much of the city’s heating relying on coal. Have they tried to filter directly the air at the source of pollution? For instance, placing filters on the coal heating facilities. It should be more efficient, as you wouldn't release as many particles in the air in the first place.

Filtering at the source reduces efficiency and has overhead in capital costs, so most people ignore it, even at big power plants and factories (otherwise they get creamed by their competitors who are ignoring it). China’s pollution problem is basically a rule of law problem, and it is difficult to fix it barring external solutions (this) or inevitable blanket restrictions (the banning of coal completely this year in and around Beijing).

Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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post #12
post #11

>Xian can experience heavy pollution in winter, with much of the city’s heating relying on coal. Have they tried to filter directly the air at the source of pollution? For instance, placing filters on the coal heating facilities. It should be more efficient, as you wouldn't release as many particles in the air in the first place.

Article mentions coal based heating being a big culprit, which is most likely used residentially in homes and small businesses.

I thought it was a central source of coal heating, but if it's in every home, it's probably too difficult to filter then.

Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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post #13

So... to drop the PM2.5 amount by 15%, this tower must be removing many many tons of particulate matter every day. How is it removed from the filters they speak of? How expensive is that to do? I have some questions about the practicality. On the other hand, I wonder if anyone's ever built a 100m placebo before. It could be a really interesting university study on the placebo effect in disguise.

>I wonder if anyone's ever built a 100m placebo before. It could be a really interesting university study on the placebo effect in disguise.

See the protests that erupt over mobile(Cell) phone towers. People claiming towers that weren't even on made them sick etc.

https://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/01/15/1516245/tower-switc...

Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article mentions coal based heating being a big culprit, which is most likely used residentially in homes and small businesses.

I thought it was a central source of coal heating, but if it's in every home, it's probably too difficult to filter then.

In city heating is typically central, in then countryside it is by home. When I visited Tianjin in 1999, however, the apartment I was staying at had a coal furnace.

Re: China builds ‘world’s biggest air purifier’ and it seems to be working

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I really like how simple this solution is. Just using the sun to heat up air and have it go up through a bunch of filters, no moving parts. It strikes me as the right way to go about it. I wonder if you could use the greenhouses for growing plants, and the rising air to run small turbines..

As far as running turbines go...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower

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