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Re: Google Memory Loss

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CHX is still right in what they say. The point here is that Google override peoples searches based on some random fuzzy logic, and whatever you've searched before, regardless of whether you are logged in or not.

To be fair, >90% searching for "furce" probably meant force. For the rest it's one click more.

I can understand "firce" and "fprce" or even "f9rce" but "furce" is, on a standard QWERTY keyboard, two keys away so more unlikely to be a typo.

Re: Google Memory Loss

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Using the Google of 10-years-ago on the Internet of 10-years-ago, or using the Google of 10-years-ago on the Internet of today? Because I imagine doing the latter would just result in an endless wasteland of SEO-optimized content leadgen pages.

SEO penalization is orthogonal to the search algorithm. The simplest solution: eliminate SEO'd pages from the index before applying search to it.

Something tells me the solution of removing "bad" pages isn't as trivial as you seem to imply it is here...

Re: Google Memory Loss

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I feel that it is intentionally bad so people don't realize how much Google knows about them.

Meanwhile their image recognition gets better and better. For those of you who use Google Photos backup, try a keyword image search in Google Drive sometime of your untagged photos ("beach", "face," etc.) You'll be creepily surprised on what Google is indexing, even against what they claim they don't (try some sketchier words).

Maybe, but it's also incredibly poor at the same time. When I search my photos for "dog" I get many many pictures of cats. But that's sort of understandable, since they are both 4-legged animals, right? Well, then I don't know why searching for "dog" also brings up pictures of birds I have in my google photos. It's great about 90% of the time, and the remaining 10% it's hilariously and completely wrong.

Re: Google Memory Loss

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My problem with the comment was not the dirty words (I love me some George Carlin and Louis Black), but the act of name-calling. The very first sentence of the hacker news guidelines for comments is "Be civil" [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That kind of "name calling" is pretty common in many areas. Watch some debates in British parliament, for example. Do you really think the Chief Financial Officer of one of the biggest companies in the world is unable to handle it? All you will do if you pursue this sterilisation of language is drive away the really intelligent, if idiosyncratic, people and help build an echo chamber.

I sincerely doubt that the Chief Financial Officer of one of the biggest companies in the world has time to read random comments on HN, so whether they 'can handle it' is moot. There is certainly a place for cursing and maybe even name-calling (though I'm surprised you'd bring up the British parliament as an example worthy of imitation) but Hacker News is not it, cf. why I quoted its guidelines. Indeed, sometimes cursing is the only way to properly convey a meaning. But this was not such a case - the slur was entirely drive-by and only served to distract from the rest of the comment (whose merit I cannot comment on since I had never heard of the person being commented on before today). So my intention is not to sterilize language or build an echo chamber, but to hopefully make one of these 'intelligent, if idiosyncratic' people aware that their way of communicating was preventing their message from reaching a wider audience.

Re: Google Memory Loss

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I've noticed this many times too, particularly recently, and I call it "Google Alzheimer's" --- what was once a very powerful search engine that could give you thousands (yes, I've tried exhausting its result pages many times, and used to have much success finding the perfect site many dozens of pages deep in the results) of pages containing nothing but the exact words and phrase you search for has seemingly degraded…

I concur - and then to run across a google aficionado who alerted us to a policy change where now paying to move up the charts was cutting them out and the paid for results not labeled as ads. The ultimate result of all good things when they get too big? Corporatize? I fear more that the people who should be creating the next google have been numbed and hypnotized into a state of flux, where everything is acceptable.

Re: Google Memory Loss

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> has seemingly degraded into an approximation of a search engine that has knowledge of only very superficial information, will try to rewrite your queries and omit words (including the very word that makes all the difference...) I think the biggest irony is that the web allows for more adoption of long-tail movements than ever before, and Google has gotten significantly worse at turning these up. I assume this has s…

This same AI effect can be seen in the Android keyboard, where _properly_ spelled words will be replaced after typing another word or two because it's been determined to be more likely what you want. It's infuriating.

I've definitely noticed that but I'm not sure the reason is so innocent

Re: Google Memory Loss

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I've noticed this many times too, particularly recently, and I call it "Google Alzheimer's" --- what was once a very powerful search engine that could give you thousands (yes, I've tried exhausting its result pages many times, and used to have much success finding the perfect site many dozens of pages deep in the results) of pages containing nothing but the exact words and phrase you search for has seemingly degraded…

> solving the CAPTCHA just gives you another, and no matter how many you solve it keeps refusing to search

They even have a patent on that: https://www.google.com/patents/US9407661

Re: Google Memory Loss

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> I frequently swipe "See you soon." It always, always renders as "See you son" This works fine for me with GBoard. Are you drawing a little circle on the o to indicate you want the double letter?

If this comment is what teaches me I've been expected to do that, I'm going to throw my toys out of the pram. I've specifically googled for instructions on how I might be expected to use the swipe-style keyboards, and turned up nothing.

Swipe style keyboard? How does that effect spelling ? So confused - I get how it changes to "predict," anticipate or whatever the AI engineers say but what I don't understand is changing a real word to a non-word. That's not intelligence. That's something else and I don't know what they get from changing word to a misspelled and nonexistent word other than eventually driving the human race insane: I'm going to be a Luddite;

Re: Google Memory Loss

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That's simple to turn off. At least on my Samsung.

Please teach me. It's driving me crazy.

On my S8 keyboard the configuration menu can be opened using the gear icon appearing in the keyboard. In the configuration menu there should be a bunch of options under "Smart typing" including 'Predictive text' which can be turned off.

This is in the european market, though, I don't know if it's configured differently for different markets.

On google the query "samsung turn off keyboard autocorrect" provides links such as https://www.androidcentral.com/how-turn-and-autocorrect-sams... which may or may not be relevant to you.

Re: Google Memory Loss

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SEO penalization is orthogonal to the search algorithm. The simplest solution: eliminate SEO'd pages from the index before applying search to it.

Something tells me the solution of removing "bad" pages isn't as trivial as you seem to imply it is here...

The important point is that it's orthogonal to search.

You can make SEO-penalization as complicated as you want without affecting search. The only thing search should be able to deal with is a SEO-penalty which is just a number.

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