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I've been trying to figure out how to disable that! Anyone have any ideas? Google search turned up no results, but after this thread I shouldn't be surprised.

I use Swift keyboard on Android, never had these kinds of issues, its predictions are remarkably good.

And it's guaranteed not to have postdictions?

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This same AI effect can be seen in the Android keyboard, where _properly_ spelled words will be replaced after typing another word or two because it's been determined to be more likely what you want. It's infuriating.

Oh man, Android does that too? This awful, terrible, no good fake "AI" behavior on iOS was one of the many quality issues with modern iOS that was making Android look more attractive. iOS keyboards have been getting worse with every update, probably as more and more engineers feel the need to make a mark, or are required to fix bugs, and they spoil it. The simple and predictable statistical model of the original iOS…

you can turn off autocorrect

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I've noticed this many times too, particularly recently, and I call it "Google Alzheimer's" --- what was once a very powerful search engine that could give you thousands (yes, I've tried exhausting its result pages many times, and used to have much success finding the perfect site many dozens of pages deep in the results) of pages containing nothing but the exact words and phrase you search for has seemingly degraded…

Searching using “Verbatim” can be helpful. What’s particularly infuriating is when searching with verbatim still ignores keywords.

What more infuriating is it using synonyms of "verbatim" that actually don't mean the same thing as verbatim in a particular technical context but match an avalanche of noise. I've yet to find a way to turn on synonym matching.

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> But if you're searching enough to eat up Google's bandwidth, they're paying for that data and they're under no obligation to keep serving you as a client Do you not see the irony?

No, I don't. Can you help clarify it for me? Search engines crawling millions of sites each with---on average---a few MB of data distributes cost globally. Extracting terabytes of index data from a single search engine's repository consolidates the cost on the back of that repository's bandwidth provision. These are not symmetrical cost structures.

Our git repository went down when crawlers decided to index it

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While we're all grumbling about Google, my main gripe is the increasing indexing of Pinterest in web search. It was bad enough a few years ago when they statted clogging up image searches, but I've noticed a lot of links to Pinterest now in the first few web results of a search.

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> has seemingly degraded into an approximation of a search engine that has knowledge of only very superficial information, will try to rewrite your queries and omit words (including the very word that makes all the difference...) I think the biggest irony is that the web allows for more adoption of long-tail movements than ever before, and Google has gotten significantly worse at turning these up. I assume this has s…

This same AI effect can be seen in the Android keyboard, where _properly_ spelled words will be replaced after typing another word or two because it's been determined to be more likely what you want. It's infuriating.

It's all the keyboards. Swype used to work great, but now when it actually gets words right, if I have sentence with a second word that could possibly have been two similar words on the path it will just straight up replace both rendering the sentence completely incomprehensible. Who are these people that don't correct their sentences until the second incorrect word?

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I've noticed this many times too, particularly recently, and I call it "Google Alzheimer's" --- what was once a very powerful search engine that could give you thousands (yes, I've tried exhausting its result pages many times, and used to have much success finding the perfect site many dozens of pages deep in the results) of pages containing nothing but the exact words and phrase you search for has seemingly degraded…

> has seemingly degraded into an approximation of a search engine that has knowledge of only very superficial information, will try to rewrite your queries and omit words (including the very word that makes all the difference...) I think the biggest irony is that the web allows for more adoption of long-tail movements than ever before, and Google has gotten significantly worse at turning these up. I assume this has s…

> the AI is probably incentivized to give a correct response to as many people

I'd bet it's probably trained to maximize clicks on ads...

Just like youtubes algorithm is trained to maximize viewing time (and thus ads you see), instead of showing you videos you'd actually enjoy more.

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You can add a plus (+) before a word you require to be in the search results. Eg. "+VBS array loop". You can filter out word by prepending a minus (-). You can surround exact phrases in quotes (") and you can even allow synonyms by prepending a tilde "~" Example query: +vbs array ~loop "magic number" If Google does not find anything it will remove some parts so that you will get any results at all

Didn‘t they drop the + operator when they launched Google+? I thought now you have to surround your term with „“ instead of +?

Yeah, you are right; https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

They even dropped tilde :(

But you might be able to achieve the same things with their advanced search; https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

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I've convinced myself that this happens in gmail / hangouts history search too. It'll very confidently tell you that here are the only six results for your search term going back to the beginning of time, but if you go and manually dig up something that you know is there from ten years ago, then all of a sudden there are seven results the next time you search for the same term. I haven't done this methodically, and I…

Microsoft does this too. I have a massive mailbox going back 15 years and O365 doesn’t handle it well with full text search... you need to scope it to a person.

Ah this is good to know. I current run on-prem Exchange, with a view to moving to Office365, my mailbox is a super-set of all the mail I've ever had and goes back 20+ years.

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You can add a plus (+) before a word you require to be in the search results. Eg. "+VBS array loop". You can filter out word by prepending a minus (-). You can surround exact phrases in quotes (") and you can even allow synonyms by prepending a tilde "~" Example query: +vbs array ~loop "magic number" If Google does not find anything it will remove some parts so that you will get any results at all

Didn‘t they drop the + operator when they launched Google+? I thought now you have to surround your term with „“ instead of +?

Yes, you're right, they did this a looong time ago... BUT, sometimes Google still insists on showing you results that don't contain the word or phrase that you've explicitly requested must be in the results - utterly infuriating!
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