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Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

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Re: Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

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I recently had a candid conversation with an ex-Con about this very subject while vacationing in MX.

Yes, pot exports have declined, but MX is importing the latest growing and manufacturing processes from CO, WA, CA, OR innovators (and presumably serving their domestic pot needs).

Coke still remains the biggest revenue generator.

Re: Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be so sure. "To make due" seems correct to me, as a foreign speaker, because the grammar suggests a noun phrase as object, because it works en lieu "to settle debt". It's easy to see how french-illiterate anglophones would mishear due as do. So I guess you make do now. And I have to ask how are you making do today?

As a speaker of English where "do" and "due" are not pronounced the same I assure you it's "do".

Stress being on where - and not only but also on when. Due is from times when French was hip and foxy at the court royal. I'm sure you can tell many first hand tales about that. Wherever in the many different English speaking parts of the world you are.

edit: more to the point, "dues" is pronounced "doos" in one dialect or another, I assure you. This is because it has nothing to do with "mountain dew".

Re: Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

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The "Drug Trafficking Organizations" are the cartels. It is important to remember they don't exist to traffic drugs, they exist for the top leader(s) to obtain and maintain power, like a state-in-waiting. As other activities become more profitable, they switch over to those. Marijuana loses its profitability, they can switch to other drugs, guns, smuggling, "coyotes", or legitimate enterprise. This is what unfettered…

Smoking pot is a victimles crime. So if you want to debate morals then making it illegal to sell and thus allow for the tens of thousands of innocent victims who get killed by the powerful cartels in the name of the War on dugs is the most immoral action a government can do.

Re: Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

#75
Will it just create another blackmarket with another organized crime taking control? I'm not sure about legalized states in America but in Canada, from what I hear all the dispensaries in Vancouver and beyond source it from the black market.

Also unlikely that the overwhelming demand will be filled by the legal producers after July 1st, it seems like such a long road to true legalization.

Tobacco is legal and yet allegedly about 1/3rd of tobacco sold in the Ontario area are also smuggled from the US.

Re: Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

#76
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to debate, but why do you believe: "Not disagreeing with your larger point, but the fact of the matter is that it's a lot harder to sell people meth, coke, heroin, etc. than it is to sell people pot." Funny drug dealer quotes "I don't sell drugs, drug's sell themselves" In all reality though Pot is by far harder to conceal in small/large quantities so per pound profitability on Pot has to be lower than other dru…

I think the poster was getting at the fact that pot users dwarf meth users in quantity, for example. I think the OP got it right -- even if there was no heroin crisis in the US, the cartels would turn to some other money-making proposition. The only way to quash them is to strengthen the Mexican state, whether it be this one or a new structure.

I agree with the fact that the Mexican state needs strength to deal with this. I think I just heard on NPR this morning that more poppies are being grown in Mexico as of late due to perfect climate.

I also read the farmers get nearly nothing for their crop, and obviously the high end cartels take all the profits anyways.

How would the US possibly strengthen the Mexican Government though, barring massive investment?

Re: Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

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post #10

The "Drug Trafficking Organizations" are the cartels. It is important to remember they don't exist to traffic drugs, they exist for the top leader(s) to obtain and maintain power, like a state-in-waiting. As other activities become more profitable, they switch over to those. Marijuana loses its profitability, they can switch to other drugs, guns, smuggling, "coyotes", or legitimate enterprise. This is what unfettered…

> "coyotes"

Reminds me and makes me think, the human smuggling business must be taking big hit since illegal immigration is way down since 2007. Course maybe people fleeing central/South America makes up for some of that.

Re: Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

#78
post #10

The "Drug Trafficking Organizations" are the cartels. It is important to remember they don't exist to traffic drugs, they exist for the top leader(s) to obtain and maintain power, like a state-in-waiting. As other activities become more profitable, they switch over to those. Marijuana loses its profitability, they can switch to other drugs, guns, smuggling, "coyotes", or legitimate enterprise. This is what unfettered…

Wow, the state deems drugs to be illegal, but anarcho-capitalism is to blame somehow.

A lot of people here are so steadfast to the bigger state idea that they see it everywhere as a solution even when it's the cause.

Re: Is Legal Pot Crippling Mexican Drug Trafficking Organisations?

#79
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marijuana loses its profitability, they can switch to other drugs, guns, smuggling, "coyotes", or legitimate enterprise. Not disagreeing with your larger point, but the fact of the matter is that it's a lot harder to sell people meth, coke, heroin, etc. than it is to sell people pot. If coca cola were made illegal, something that is bad for you by many metrics but hardly life destroying, people are not going to switc…

> it's a lot harder to sell people meth, coke, heroin, etc. than it is to sell people pot. Only the first time. Then the opposite is true.

Thing generally about pot and other drugs is, pot dealers generally do not traffic other drugs. One reason is the supply networks are different. With pot dealers usually deal with growers or a middle man directly. High level of trust, makes the business generally safe.

Other drugs you end up tapping into a deep network filled with really shady people. High chance of being ratted on, robbed, etc. Even for those dealers multiple drugs, generally multiple supply networks. Which is worse.

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