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Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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Study: Price Manipulation in the Bitcoin Ecosystem Citation: Neil Gandal, JT Hamrick, Tyler Moore, Tali Oberman, Price Manipulation in the Bitcoin Ecosystem, Journal of Monetary Economics (2017) Link: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jmoneco.2017.12.004 DOI: 10.1016/j.jmoneco.2017.12.004 Abstract: To its proponents, the cryptocurrency Bitcoin offers the potential to disrupt payment systems and traditional currencies. It has…

To be fair regulated markets are vulnerable to manipulation today

Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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People do not realize how manipulated the traditional financial markets are otherwise known as Wall Street. Cryptocurrency is less manipulated as it's run by a different culture of people.

This statement is laughably naive... crypto markets are quite literally a wild west free for all.

We're going to see crypto markets go through many of the same lessons that traditional markets did and slowly relearn why we have regulation and insurance.

Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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Wow, this paper's conclusion is delayed by 3 years. Willy and Markus bots are old news for anyone who has been following bitcoin closely. The source of all these allegations was this blog appearing in 2014: https://willyreport.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/the-willy-repor...

Any recent manipulations ? especially in 2017 end ?

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Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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Study: Price Manipulation in the Bitcoin Ecosystem Citation: Neil Gandal, JT Hamrick, Tyler Moore, Tali Oberman, Price Manipulation in the Bitcoin Ecosystem, Journal of Monetary Economics (2017) Link: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jmoneco.2017.12.004 DOI: 10.1016/j.jmoneco.2017.12.004 Abstract: To its proponents, the cryptocurrency Bitcoin offers the potential to disrupt payment systems and traditional currencies. It has…

To be fair regulated markets are vulnerable to manipulation today

Most exchanges in regulated markets

* know and contractually oblige their customers (the brokerages who gain access to the exchange) to avoid self-trading

* have some preventative mechanisms, e.g. https://www.theice.com/publicdocs/futures_us/exchange_notice...

Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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Bitcoin topped out as soon as the futures went live. Massive contango on a regulated futures market may have been a factor in "reeling in" price. The spot market is so thin that it didn't seem to take much open interest in the futs to whip the underlying. It's conceivable that some spot exchanges are or were still from 2017 to now, either malicious and/or incompetent, which would facilitate the continuation of such b…

On contango: I would not call what the futures market is experiencing "massive" contango. There is a very slight premium to further dated futures ($35/btc Feb over Jan, and $5 Mar over Feb contracts on CME), but this is very normal for a commodity and logically in place for exchange/spot holding risk. I would call the average settlements over the past month of futures being listed very normal contango. And I don't think the contango itself had anything to do with "reeling in" price. The futures finally being listed perhaps.

"The spot market is so thin" I also think is incorrect. GDAX is normally 0.01 USD wide (albeit for small amounts) and often-times under $1 wide for many BTC. I would call the spot market very thick, if anything. You can get off what appears to be very large amounts of BTC with minimal slippage most times of the day.

"didn't seem to take much open interest in the futs to whip the underlying" -- are you saying a futures move would lead the market? I respectfully disagree. All the entities I know price futs from spot and are generally putting on the arb in this order, not the other way around.

Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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Wow, this paper's conclusion is delayed by 3 years. Willy and Markus bots are old news for anyone who has been following bitcoin closely. The source of all these allegations was this blog appearing in 2014: https://willyreport.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/the-willy-repor...

Any recent manipulations ? especially in 2017 end ?

Theres 'Spoofy': https://hackernoon.com/meet-spoofy-how-a-single-entity-domin...

Then of course there is the Tether debate. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-05/mystery-s...

Both probably related.

Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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post #22

People do not realize how manipulated the traditional financial markets are otherwise known as Wall Street. Cryptocurrency is less manipulated as it's run by a different culture of people.

Do we really know anything siginficant about the extent of the players in the cryptocurrency marketplace to know if the statement "cryptocurrency is less manipulated" is true or not? We don't even know who created it in the first place! I thought the general assumption is that there's a lot of "unknown unknowns"? Am I wrong?

Yes, I used to run small OTC public company. I've seen the difference in manipulation. Here's weird thing: Goldman and others (with the exception of Bear Stearns and LEH) the big guys get regulatory breaks in law because they can afford to pay off people like Warren Buffet ($5bil to Goldman) - you don't see these guys in jail. This is why the crypto movement is happening.

Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

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People do not realize how manipulated the traditional financial markets are otherwise known as Wall Street. Cryptocurrency is less manipulated as it's run by a different culture of people.

You would have been better off relating crypto to the existing currency markets. Forex is nearly unregulated (insider trading is completely fine), and is generally a free for all.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/06/sevenfxfaqs.a...

Re: Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

#40

What's the nature of the suspicious trades?

For example, 10mil shares decided between market makers sitting on both sides of the bid that goes at a price they agree on which is not in the interest of fairness or the public. Another reason for the crypto movement.

Source: Me, former hedge fund algo dev

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