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What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Ah. I actually thought filling the bathtub was a measure to mitigate the effects of the heat wave and maybe the radiation as well.

I think it's so if you survive, you have clean drinking water for when the infrastructure has failed and you're waiting for rescue.

Then I get poisoned because I didn't clean my bathtub as a often as I should.

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I think this is mostly right, but there is still some room for concern. First off, those anti-missile defenses have never been tested in anger and we can't be 100% sure they will work. (I'd love to think we have an effective boost-phase defense in place, but I gather that's not going to be a reality for a few years yet, at best.) Second, what I think Kim really wants to use those nukes for, besides leverage in the sa…

What would be the point of arming SK over having a nuclear sub in the area? Would anyone really believe SK could launch them of their own volition? Surely they would be nothing more than US bombs in SK soil.

It controls the political risk of a rift in the alliance or cold feet on behalf of the United States.

The situation you see playing out in Europe, where Trump’s affinity for Russia puts NATO’s integrity in question is an example of why a smaller party like South Korea would want an independent deterrent.

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I'm currently living in Japan. So obviously I have a plan for nuclear war. First, I'm going to press send on the doomsday draft which is sitting in my e-mail. Second, I'm going to go to youtube and play "We all go together" by Tom Leher. Third, I got a bottle sitting in my desk that I'm going to pop open. Presumably I'll be in the office at the time so one final round with the coworkers. The people in this article se…

I don't know about you but filling the bathtub is my instinctual reaction to anything that goes wrong. Job going badly? Fill the bathtub. Medical emergency? Fill the bathtub. Lost my house key? FILL THE BATHTUB.

Flash flooding? Fill the bathtub!

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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I live on O'ahu and was holding my phone when the emergency alert came in at 8:07am. I yelled "Oh my God!" and ran to show my wife the message. I've run through this scenario a few times in my head before and I knew every minute was critical -- so I went into action mode immediately. I told my two kids to get dressed now because we were leaving in exactly 1 minute. The reason we were leaving is our house is single-wa…

There is a big misconception about nuclear attacks. Full scale nuclear war with a adversary like Russia is indeed an apocalypse scenario, but a single lowish yield nuclear detonation by a nation like North Korea is very very survivable, if you are prepared. I have a similar evac plan with a bug-out bag that I gave my wife to keep at her work. For nuclear attack specifically, she is instructed NOT to leave her work an…

> she is instructed NOT to [...]

Wait, she’s what now?

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What would be the point of arming SK over having a nuclear sub in the area? Would anyone really believe SK could launch them of their own volition? Surely they would be nothing more than US bombs in SK soil.

It controls the political risk of a rift in the alliance or cold feet on behalf of the United States. The situation you see playing out in Europe, where Trump’s affinity for Russia puts NATO’s integrity in question is an example of why a smaller party like South Korea would want an independent deterrent.

No, I get why SK would want them; my question is about the US giving them nukes - more specifically, why would anyone believe that those nukes, even if the US did put them in SK, could actually be fired by the Koreans independently.

I don't think the US can convince anyone that they would really unconditionally give nukes to SK to do whatever they wanted with them.

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I had considered that too and breaking a window to gain access was an option. I'm not a member of the church, but I chose this building specifically as it was most likely to have other people seeking shelter there who also had keys to the building. Indeed, the first family to arrive after us lived a block away and I did verify they do have a key.

Doesn't breaking a window to get in negate the "sealed windows" advantage of the location?

Maybe a bit, but a single broken window pane would be far easier to re-seal and protect from fallout than the literal wind sieve that is my house.

Every window in our house (save two) are the jalousie type common in older homes in Hawaii. [1]

[1] https://modernize.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/jalousie-wi...

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I think it makes sense to be prepared to evacuate by doing things like getting dressed or packing your bags. But you don't have to leave every time the alarm goes off. If you don't smell smoke, hear a rushing/roaring sound or feel heat coming from somewhere it probably is a false alarm.

By the time you feel heat or hear roaring or see smoke your hallway is already on fire. In some buildings that's your only escape route. Please don't give dangerous advice.

They might not have known - a good question to ask might be "why did that user think it was ok to recommend a non-urgent action in response to a fire alarm? Why did that user think it's ok to wait for evidence of a fire outside of an alarm?" Somewhere, society is failing to instill a proper respect for emergency indicators.

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It controls the political risk of a rift in the alliance or cold feet on behalf of the United States. The situation you see playing out in Europe, where Trump’s affinity for Russia puts NATO’s integrity in question is an example of why a smaller party like South Korea would want an independent deterrent.

No, I get why SK would want them; my question is about the US giving them nukes - more specifically, why would anyone believe that those nukes, even if the US did put them in SK, could actually be fired by the Koreans independently. I don't think the US can convince anyone that they would really unconditionally give nukes to SK to do whatever they wanted with them.

I misunderstood. My assumption is that they would obtain them in a manner similar to Israel, and not acknowledge their existence officially.

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America’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan didn’t start after 9/11.

the first gulf war was in 1990 and the US was a party to it

In 1955 the US was part of the creation of the Baghdad Pact. In the 1970s the US supported a Kurdish uprising against the Iraqi government.

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I'm not a member of the church I'm atheist, but if things were going horribly wrong LDS would be high on my list of people to be around.

Pro: A bunch of them are nutty doomsday preppers, with a lot of food supplies in their basements. Con: The polygamy, child abuse, and endless fast and testimony meetings get kinda old after a while.

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