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Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by jopsen »

> Consumers are key to change

Consumers are given responsibility for too many things. When I buy something I have to check how it impacts the environment, animal welfare, fair trade, worker impact, company social responsibility, price, antibiotic usage, palm oil usage, health impacts, allergens, various toxins, suspected list of toxic substances, company reputation, etc.

When will it end? IMO this doesn't scale... This needs regulation, I'm fairly sure the EU is doing it's part, where is the US?

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by petepete »

jopsen wrote: post #151

> Consumers are key to change Consumers are given responsibility for too many things. When I buy something I have to check how it impacts the environment, animal welfare, fair trade, worker impact, company social responsibility, price, antibiotic usage, palm oil usage, health impacts, allergens, various toxins, suspected list of toxic substances, company reputation, etc. When will it end? IMO this doesn't scale... Th…

The EU is doing its part. The UK media ridiculed and undermined it constantly for "red tape". Now we're leaving; things will only get worse.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by enord »

rublev wrote: post #145
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

Yeah but I don't feel like suffering from every aspect of my life just to make an impact. My suffering will become a full time job. Focusing on not eating x/y/z, not wearing x/y/z, not doing x/y/z, not going to x, y, or z, for x/y/z reasons. And so on and so forth. I work a day job, I don't have time to give a shit about most things, least of all adjusting my entire diet for activist ideology, let alone reading enoug…

Or paying more taxes to fund epa, fda and unilateral trade agreements to adress challenges so numerous that no mortal man can be expected to grok half of it in two lifetimes.

In order to do that though, you have to vote vith your er... vote.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by macspoofing »

jopsen wrote: post #151

> Consumers are key to change Consumers are given responsibility for too many things. When I buy something I have to check how it impacts the environment, animal welfare, fair trade, worker impact, company social responsibility, price, antibiotic usage, palm oil usage, health impacts, allergens, various toxins, suspected list of toxic substances, company reputation, etc. When will it end? IMO this doesn't scale... Th…

>When will it end?

When you want it to end. You're putting those burdens on yourself.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by pishpash »

jopsen wrote: post #151

> Consumers are key to change Consumers are given responsibility for too many things. When I buy something I have to check how it impacts the environment, animal welfare, fair trade, worker impact, company social responsibility, price, antibiotic usage, palm oil usage, health impacts, allergens, various toxins, suspected list of toxic substances, company reputation, etc. When will it end? IMO this doesn't scale... Th…

You're right it is completely not scalable, and not only that, but incompatible with present-day market economics. One of the most important things we give up for the abstraction of market transactions with interchangeable goods is information outside the transaction.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by enord »

xtrapolate wrote: post #150
enord wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has this attitude _ever_ been the solution to a shared-resource problem? I'm not being snarky, I want to know. It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield, doing nothing other than establishing who is morally responsible.

It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield Wouldn't a better analogy here be to "solve traffic mortality" by considerably reducing your exposure to dangerous situations (as in, driving less)? There's a demand for meat, hence an industry working to supply (and profit-off-of) it. Encouraging people to eat less meat is making a difference.

I dispute that encouraging people to eat less meat will make enough of a difference in this case to, well, make a difference. It's not wrong, it's just too much self-congratulatory blame-shifting with a moral message as the end itself.

These kinds of problems need results, not feel-good activist sentiment woo. People are dying.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

totalZero wrote: post #130
unmango wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I'd rather eat meat all day? Is there any way to stop the antibiotics use without eating like a rabbit?

You can spend more and buy hormone-free and antibiotic-free products. One of the weirdest things, for me, is to spend a few weeks eating cheap, delicious, and relatively natural food in Latin America, and then returning to the USA where people get excited to buy groceries that are "made with real* ingredients!".

Where was this in Latin America? In Argentina, most cattle have gone from eating grass on the open pampas to being fed grain in cramped feedlots just like in the US, because it is more lucrative to use the land to grow soya. In Chile, a hell of a lot of food in the supermarkets is imported from the USA, namely from that country’s lower-end market (Walmart etc.). I can’t speak for other countries, but definitely some of Latin America countries are already basing their diet on relatively unnatural food.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by adamjc »

akoncius wrote: post #22
chrischen wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like solving traffic mortality by telling people not to drive.

no, it’s like telling people to stop driving cars at 100 miles per hour inside city. makes sense.

Which is enforced through regulation from governing bodies (i.e. Police).

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by thriftwy »

petepete wrote: post #152
jopsen wrote: post #151

> Consumers are key to change Consumers are given responsibility for too many things. When I buy something I have to check how it impacts the environment, animal welfare, fair trade, worker impact, company social responsibility, price, antibiotic usage, palm oil usage, health impacts, allergens, various toxins, suspected list of toxic substances, company reputation, etc. When will it end? IMO this doesn't scale... Th…

The EU is doing its part. The UK media ridiculed and undermined it constantly for "red tape". Now we're leaving; things will only get worse.

How about they stop demanding paperwork before any production is made, and instead go after actual trespassers by doing blind tests?

Because, you know, as a consumer I fail to see how paperwork protects me from anything. Being expert at paperwork doesn't mean you're an expert of being a fair tradesman.

Paperwork collectors mentality is precisely what we should beat off of bureaucracy.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by [deleted] »

macspoofing wrote: post #154
jopsen wrote: post #151

> Consumers are key to change Consumers are given responsibility for too many things. When I buy something I have to check how it impacts the environment, animal welfare, fair trade, worker impact, company social responsibility, price, antibiotic usage, palm oil usage, health impacts, allergens, various toxins, suspected list of toxic substances, company reputation, etc. When will it end? IMO this doesn't scale... Th…

>When will it end? When you want it to end. You're putting those burdens on yourself.

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