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Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by megaman22 »

greglindahl wrote: post #100
tr0ut wrote: post #92

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Why are you trying to eat less meat? P.S. Good luck on a vegetarian diet with a 3500+ caloric intake. You'll be eating all day.

Vegetarians eat calorie-heavy foods like fats, carbs, and protein, just like everyone else.

Arguably easier to eat a large number of calories on a vegetarian diet, than on its polar opposite, ketogenic diet.

It's kind of hard work eating 3500 calories of just meat, eggs and cheese. Whereas that amount of bread, pasta, sweets, and other nominally vegetarian foodstuffs can be easily wolfed down.

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megaman22 wrote: post #111
greglindahl wrote: post #100

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Vegetarians eat calorie-heavy foods like fats, carbs, and protein, just like everyone else.

Arguably easier to eat a large number of calories on a vegetarian diet, than on its polar opposite, ketogenic diet. It's kind of hard work eating 3500 calories of just meat, eggs and cheese. Whereas that amount of bread, pasta, sweets, and other nominally vegetarian foodstuffs can be easily wolfed down.

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Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by shagie »

sifoo wrote: post #25
matthewmacleod wrote: post #17

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The reason they need all the antibiotics is because the animals are so sick they just wouldn't survive without I'm not sure this is entirely true.

Have you bothered to look into it? It's not like the information is impossible to find, even if they don't exactly advertise the icky parts of their business. 'Eating Animals' by Jonathan Safran Foer is a good place to start.

I am curious if you have. I would encourage you to read http://www.fao.org/docrep/ARTICLE/AGRIPPA/555_EN.HTM

> According to the National Office of Animal Health (NOAH, 2001), antibiotic growth promoters are used to "help growing animals digest their food more efficiently, get maximum benefit from it and allow them to develop into strong and healthy individuals". Although the mechanism underpinning their action is unclear, it is believed that the antibiotics suppress sensitive populations of bacteria in the intestines. It has been estimated that as much as 6 per cent of the net energy in the pig diet could be lost due to microbial fermentation in the intestine (Jensen, 1998). If the microbial population could be better controlled, it is possible that the lost energy could be diverted to growth.

Do you have any material from a peer reviewed source that refutes this?

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by DrScump »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #89
belorn wrote: post #62

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Anything written on the product is liable to supply chain fraud. How do a customer know that the virgin olive oil is not mixed with lard? No food is safe from product fraud. Has fish a higher risk compared to other products? To my knowledge the food product with highest fraud rate is oil. After that things like honey, and further down we have beef. I have never heard of report in regard to fish, but feel free to poin…

That's what a government is supposed to be doing: laws, regulations, and the ability to enforce them.

But there can be multiple governments involved.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by megaman22 »

cageface wrote: post #110
megaman22 wrote: post #72

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Everyone and everything dies in the end. It's fairly common among religions to presume that fate is inexorable and already written, with free-will being only an illusion working towards the predestined plan of god(s).

The crucial difference of course is that most of us aren't forced to live day to day in horrifically cruel conditions and then killed about one tenth of the way into our natural lifespan, purely for the pleasure of others.

Well, I think I'd take a sledgehammer or pneumatic bolt to the brain over being hamstrung, disemboweled, and eaten alive by wolves...

Nature is no less cruel.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by bastawhiz »

tr0ut wrote: post #92
bastawhiz wrote: post #54

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A personal anecdote: I've tried cutting my meat consumption many times in the past, but I ultimately fail to keep up a low-meat diet for the following reasons: - Vegetarian food is really not that tasty in my opinion. (edit: the kind I can reasonably prepare myself) - It's very difficult to eat enough vegetarian food for me to meet my Calorie requirements (I target 3500/day). - Eating a balanced diet of vegetarian fo…

Why are you trying to eat less meat? P.S. Good luck on a vegetarian diet with a 3500+ caloric intake. You'll be eating all day.

I've mostly been accomplishing it with the soylent. Trying to eat less meat to be more environmentally conscious, but also because I think meat production is, in general, a bad thing™. Moral issues aside, it seems like such a wasteful and problematic way to produce food.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by cageface »

megaman22 wrote: post #115
cageface wrote: post #110

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The crucial difference of course is that most of us aren't forced to live day to day in horrifically cruel conditions and then killed about one tenth of the way into our natural lifespan, purely for the pleasure of others.

Well, I think I'd take a sledgehammer or pneumatic bolt to the brain over being hamstrung, disemboweled, and eaten alive by wolves... Nature is no less cruel.

Nature doesn't force animals to stand in their own shit for their entire life in cages that don't allow them to even turn around.

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/05/factory-farms-fbi-missin...

Watch this and get back to me about cruelty.

https://vimeo.com/209647801

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

greglindahl wrote: post #101
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #89

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That's what a government is supposed to be doing: laws, regulations, and the ability to enforce them.

Yeah, and if you look at newspaper articles about wild fish actually being farmed, the government seems to be doing a terrible job about that in particular.

I live in Seattle, and couldn't agree more! I think it's reprehensible that there hasn't been more done by our current Congress, the Executive branch, and the Washington state legislature to prevent such disastrous accidents as the recent release of Atlantic salmon around Puget Sound.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/puget-sou...

I'm glad to see that parts of the government, specifically one of our US Senators, Maria Cantwell, and some folks in Washington state's legislature, like Kevin Ranker from Orcas Island, are doing the right thing on this issue. Cantwell, being in the minority party in the Senate, can't do much more than angrily issue press releases, and Ranker, being in the majority party in the Washington state Senate, is doing as much as he can—i.e. introduce legislation.

https://www.facebook.com/senatorcantwell/posts/1994659154144...

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/puget-sou...

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by dghughes »

swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

Actually my mother (age mid 70s) who grew up on a farm has said to me many times over the years her family only ate meat on Sunday. They were not vegetarians or some weird cult it was the way people were it was a normal way to eat.

Traditionally or historically (?) fish isn't seen as meat. And not just for religious reasons. My guess is people saw them as so different from land animals they were not classed as meat in the minds of our ancestors.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by mkl »

enord wrote: post #8
notadoc wrote: post #2

Humans are squandering antibiotics for the most inane uses, rapidly growing superbugs and resistance along the way. This will become a major public health crisis if nothing is done about it sooner than later.

In an age of increasing nationalistic sentiments and military escalation, it's become a common trope that there's almost no one left to remember the tragedies of WWII. Coincidentally there's certainly nobody alive who remembers the previous pandemic, Spanish Flu. (I say "previous" - there's an ongoing pandemic of HIV/aids, albeit a more gradual affair, but that's happening to Other People (TM))

The Spanish Flu epidemic was 1918-1920. There are quite a few who will remember that still.
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