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Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by greglindahl »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #89
belorn wrote: post #62

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Anything written on the product is liable to supply chain fraud. How do a customer know that the virgin olive oil is not mixed with lard? No food is safe from product fraud. Has fish a higher risk compared to other products? To my knowledge the food product with highest fraud rate is oil. After that things like honey, and further down we have beef. I have never heard of report in regard to fish, but feel free to poin…

That's what a government is supposed to be doing: laws, regulations, and the ability to enforce them.

Yeah, and if you look at newspaper articles about wild fish actually being farmed, the government seems to be doing a terrible job about that in particular.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by greglindahl »

deepnotderp wrote: post #43
unmango wrote: post #11

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What if I'd rather eat meat all day? Is there any way to stop the antibiotics use without eating like a rabbit?

Lab grown meat and genetically modified plant based meat substitute with blood seem to be the two most likely examples.

So you're saying that two technologies which don't actually exist yet are more likely than not eating meat, which 100s of millions of humans already do? Yeah, for the average American, you could be right.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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natecavanaugh wrote: post #93
enord wrote: post #14

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When has this attitude _ever_ been the solution to a shared-resource problem? I'm not being snarky, I want to know. It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield, doing nothing other than establishing who is morally responsible.

Is this a shared resource problem though? The problem, as I see it, is one of a questionable food supply or at least a contamination issue, in which case, each person should decide what matters to them, and is how this particular problem is solved in the micro, which in aggregate, does lessen the macro aspect. I'm thinking of cases like cigarettes and alcohol. However, where this falls apart is that consumers don't a…

The salmon that you eat is not harmful to you (probably less so with antibiotics). The multiresistent bacteria are harmful to everyone. Antibiotics are the shared resource, and the incentives are misaligned precisely because more antibiotics in livestock = cheaper and healthier (in a veterinarian sense) meat, but more resistant bacterial strains that can find a way into the populace.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by greglindahl »

enord wrote: post #99
greglindahl wrote: post #86

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The person who got short shrift is the person you initially replied to. They proposed individual virtue, and you used that as an excuse to raise a different point that you like talking about. As for the bus thing, the people responsible for reducing deaths around buses are responsible for actually solving the problem. So I agree that they should not do ineffective things like they did in your story. Meanwhile, a pers…

I'm afraid GP literally stated his proposal as related to the general situation (thread topic), and if not then his post would be a non-sequitur making my reply a non-non-sequitur or just a regular old sequitur. And yes, I used his proposal of individual virtue as an "excuse" to raise a point about the role and reason of individual virtue in the topic at hand, it's called "having a discussion." Why should I leave vir…

The toes which are sore are those of "discussion".

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by brailsafe »

swombat wrote: post #38
unmango wrote: post #11

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What if I'd rather eat meat all day? Is there any way to stop the antibiotics use without eating like a rabbit?

If you’d rather eat meat all day, then you’re probably saying this problem is not important enough to you. Which is totally fine, it’s your choice. I just want you to realise you have a choice. Also, vegetarian food can be really delicious. Go to a good vegetarian restaurant some day and order something that sounds tasty - it probably will be and you may not miss the meat as much as you think!

Really how well does that scale though? At a minimum, being able to eat a vegetarian diet—depending on geography—is a luxury. Eating at a vegetarian restaurant in place of meat in general is completely out of the question for most. Granted, if it's a choice to eat meat 3 times a day, than you certainly could be in a position to eat at a vegetarian restaurant 3 times a day.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by greglindahl »

barrkel wrote: post #81
swombat wrote: post #31

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Temporarily I guess it would drive the price down, and then production would adjust to meet the lowered demand. Think about it this way: if the number of meat eaters halved overnight, meat would be really cheap for a while, then a bunch of producers would go out of business and prices would rise again, and prices would stabilise again once production was half what it used to be.

You're assuming that the remaining meat eaters' consumption would remain constant. It would almost certainly increase (I know mine would increase, or rather, I'd eat more expensive cuts of meat more often, like cote de boeuf); and I'd expect substitution effects - it's hard to predict what the final outcomes would be. Lobbying for regulation would be a more effective use of your time. Or something that converts indiv…

What if I don't want to engage in group shaming? What if I don't want to tell other people what to do?

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by tr0ut »

greglindahl wrote: post #100
tr0ut wrote: post #92

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Why are you trying to eat less meat? P.S. Good luck on a vegetarian diet with a 3500+ caloric intake. You'll be eating all day.

Vegetarians eat calorie-heavy foods like fats, carbs, and protein, just like everyone else.

Didn't think that was up for debate.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by greglindahl »

tr0ut wrote: post #108
greglindahl wrote: post #100

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Vegetarians eat calorie-heavy foods like fats, carbs, and protein, just like everyone else.

Didn't think that was up for debate.

Uh, then why would a vegetarian be eating all day to get 3500+ calories?

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by cageface »

megaman22 wrote: post #72
efrafa wrote: post #66

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Imagine the day you was born, somebody already planned your death. Because this is how it is for pig, cow, chicken on this planet.

Everyone and everything dies in the end. It's fairly common among religions to presume that fate is inexorable and already written, with free-will being only an illusion working towards the predestined plan of god(s).

The crucial difference of course is that most of us aren't forced to live day to day in horrifically cruel conditions and then killed about one tenth of the way into our natural lifespan, purely for the pleasure of others.
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