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Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by arve0 »

DrScump wrote: post #49
belorn wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since this article talk about fish farms there is very obvious solution and that is eat wild caught fish, preferable from places where there is either a overpopulation or where there are invasive species. Plenty of such meat in the world where eating it would have a net-positive on the environment. Know one lake where the price of the overpopulated fish species in it is so low that just transporting it to a cat food…

eat wild caught fish But how does the consumer know the true origin of a product? "Wild-caught" claims are only as reliable as the least honest entity in the supply chain.

You may know by eating fish that are not possible to farm, like cod.

Edit: Apparently, cod may be farmed (1), though I think the idea still stands.

1: https://thefishsite.com/articles/cultured-aquatic-species-at...

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by belorn »

DrScump wrote: post #49
belorn wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since this article talk about fish farms there is very obvious solution and that is eat wild caught fish, preferable from places where there is either a overpopulation or where there are invasive species. Plenty of such meat in the world where eating it would have a net-positive on the environment. Know one lake where the price of the overpopulated fish species in it is so low that just transporting it to a cat food…

eat wild caught fish But how does the consumer know the true origin of a product? "Wild-caught" claims are only as reliable as the least honest entity in the supply chain.

Anything written on the product is liable to supply chain fraud. How do a customer know that the virgin olive oil is not mixed with lard? No food is safe from product fraud.

Has fish a higher risk compared to other products? To my knowledge the food product with highest fraud rate is oil. After that things like honey, and further down we have beef. I have never heard of report in regard to fish, but feel free to point me to such reports.

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Post by greglindahl »

sergiotapia wrote: post #42
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

"What's the safest way to go skiing? Don't ski!"

Skiing isn't the only sport.

Meat isn't the only food.

In economics, this situation is called "substitute goods".

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by sifoo »

enord wrote: post #50
sifoo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they have a chance to fight for their survival, which makes all the difference. If it's horrible when done to humans, it's horrible when done to animals. And as long as we keep doing it to animals, we shouldn't expect to escape the same fate ourselves; Karma 101.

Fair enough, if you fear karmic retribution that makes sense. I don't, so for me the shoe remains on the same foot. Other people are more valuable to me than animals, and also more dangerous. The stakes are higher and therefore the moral considerations are more prudent (or karmic, if that's your bag).

Karma has nothing to do with revenge, karma is just another word for consequences. Every action leads to reactions; if they didn't the universe would have descended into chaos in no time at all. And thats how we learn, by acting and studying reactions until we get it. One of those lessons is recognizing the value of all living beings.

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Post by jdietrich »

enord wrote: post #14
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

When has this attitude _ever_ been the solution to a shared-resource problem? I'm not being snarky, I want to know. It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield, doing nothing other than establishing who is morally responsible.

Personal choices play a key role in advancing legislative change and facilitating effective enforcement.

Legislation and enforcement only played a partial role in reducing the rate of driving while intoxicated. DWI was still normal and socially acceptable for decades after we started banning it. We changed our attitudes, we stigmatized the behaviour, we created new norms, we invented the concept of the "designated driver". Millions of people had to be the first person in their bar to say "just a club soda, I'm driving", the first to say "don't you think you've had enough?", the first to take the keys out of their friend's pocket and call them a taxi.

It's absurd to think that we can solve the problem of antibiotic resistance just by personally giving up meat, but it's equally absurd to think that our own choices are irrelevant. Collective problems are just individual problems at scale; the solutions are also the aggregate of lots of small individual actions. Eat less meat, buy better meat, lobby grocers and restaurant chains to sell antibiotic-free meat, write to your representatives, inform your friends and family about the issue - it all helps to move us in the right direction.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by efrafa »

sifoo wrote: post #12

Fish farms are concentration camps for fish, same goes for the rest of the meat industry. The reason they need all the antibiotics is because the animals are so sick they just wouldn't survive without. Many still don't, it's just more effective to let 20% or so die if it allows stuffing more animals in the same space. Did anyone really think we would get away with treating animals like that and not have to face the c…

Imagine the day you was born, somebody already planned your death. Because this is how it is for pig, cow, chicken on this planet.

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Post by [deleted] »

bastawhiz wrote: post #54
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

A personal anecdote: I've tried cutting my meat consumption many times in the past, but I ultimately fail to keep up a low-meat diet for the following reasons: - Vegetarian food is really not that tasty in my opinion. (edit: the kind I can reasonably prepare myself) - It's very difficult to eat enough vegetarian food for me to meet my Calorie requirements (I target 3500/day). - Eating a balanced diet of vegetarian fo…

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Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by greglindahl »

barrkel wrote: post #58
greglindahl wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that it wasn't proposed as a solution. Are you saying that no one should do anything good, or encourage others to do anything good, unless it fully solves a problem? I suspect that's not the point you were trying to make, but it sure sounds like that if you read your words.

The suggested action wouldn't actually do any noticeable good, though, because of market effects - price would fall, then consumption would rise again. It's far more effective to lobby for regulation than rely on individual action to solve collective action problems.

Again, who here was proposing relying on individual action to solve collective action problems? No one.

Your economic argument is naive and pretty wrong, but I'm not going to debate it here because it's not relevant to this sub-thread.

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Post by Raphael_Amiard »

sifoo wrote: post #33
matthewmacleod wrote: post #18

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My understanding is that this practice is now banned in both the US and EU.

Sounds like a bedtime story in my ears. We're eating more and more meat, and demanding that it gets cheaper and cheaper while the stock market index needs to go higher and higher. It won't stop until the majority is willing to look beyond the bullshit we're being fed and start using their brains.

We (french) are not https://www.planetoscope.com/elevage-viande/1587-consommatio..., pretty much the opposite actually
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