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Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by akoncius »

unmango wrote: post #11
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

What if I'd rather eat meat all day? Is there any way to stop the antibiotics use without eating like a rabbit?

humans have huge variety of choice for food which has all necessary nutrients which does not originate from meat, so this comment “eat like rabbit” is not correct if you are concluding vegetarian diet.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by akoncius »

chrischen wrote: post #16
enord wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has this attitude _ever_ been the solution to a shared-resource problem? I'm not being snarky, I want to know. It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield, doing nothing other than establishing who is morally responsible.

It's like solving traffic mortality by telling people not to drive.

no, it’s like telling people to stop driving cars at 100 miles per hour inside city. makes sense.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by i_feel_great »

linkmotif wrote: post #15
sifoo wrote: post #12

Fish farms are concentration camps for fish, same goes for the rest of the meat industry. The reason they need all the antibiotics is because the animals are so sick they just wouldn't survive without. Many still don't, it's just more effective to let 20% or so die if it allows stuffing more animals in the same space. Did anyone really think we would get away with treating animals like that and not have to face the c…

I don’t think you need to invoke concentration camps here, true as it may be in some cases. They use antibiotics to make them grow faster. That’s half the reason.

They grow faster because they are less sick. Antibiotics are not like growth hormones.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by enord »

chrischen wrote: post #16
enord wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has this attitude _ever_ been the solution to a shared-resource problem? I'm not being snarky, I want to know. It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield, doing nothing other than establishing who is morally responsible.

It's like solving traffic mortality by telling people not to drive.

Or otherwise "inconvenience yourself at will, to a degree you can afford or find comfortable, to address some issue you have heard about and believe you understand, on your own time."

10 points for griffindor.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by sifoo »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #17
sifoo wrote: post #12

Fish farms are concentration camps for fish, same goes for the rest of the meat industry. The reason they need all the antibiotics is because the animals are so sick they just wouldn't survive without. Many still don't, it's just more effective to let 20% or so die if it allows stuffing more animals in the same space. Did anyone really think we would get away with treating animals like that and not have to face the c…

The reason they need all the antibiotics is because the animals are so sick they just wouldn't survive without I'm not sure this is entirely true.

Have you bothered to look into it? It's not like the information is impossible to find, even if they don't exactly advertise the icky parts of their business. 'Eating Animals' by Jonathan Safran Foer is a good place to start.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by bamboozled »

chrischen wrote: post #16
enord wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has this attitude _ever_ been the solution to a shared-resource problem? I'm not being snarky, I want to know. It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield, doing nothing other than establishing who is morally responsible.

It's like solving traffic mortality by telling people not to drive.

No it's not, it's like educating people to drive only when it's necessary, taking more cars off the road.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by enord »

akoncius wrote: post #22
chrischen wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like solving traffic mortality by telling people not to drive.

no, it’s like telling people to stop driving cars at 100 miles per hour inside city. makes sense.

We do that, but with laws and signs and police and stuff. Not with stern admonition.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by erikpukinskis »

dokein wrote: post #5
erikpukinskis wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rapidly growing superbugs We can outsmart them. We have biochemistry and flocks of 30 year old PhD students. They have a random number generator.

Not "a" random number generator, but rather trillions of random number generators running in parallel.

Same thing

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by erikpukinskis »

kinkrtyavimoodh wrote: post #9
erikpukinskis wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rapidly growing superbugs We can outsmart them. We have biochemistry and flocks of 30 year old PhD students. They have a random number generator.

Unfortunately many from the 30 year old flocks are finding the best ways to optimize ad revenue because that pays many times more than biochemistry.

Those who resist the temptation and stay focused on disease eradication will be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by akoncius »

enord wrote: post #14
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

When has this attitude _ever_ been the solution to a shared-resource problem? I'm not being snarky, I want to know. It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield, doing nothing other than establishing who is morally responsible.

your analogy would work if parent comment would say “just eat meat carefully”.

overall it makes sense to reduce meat consumption, because if you look deeper in reasons for antibiotics use in meat industry, mainly it is used as a consequence of high demand for meat, to reduce risk of diseases in overpopulated farms, while feeding animals growth hormones and stuffing as much food as possible to ensure quick growth, so yeah, if people would reduce consumption, then supply would adjust accordingly, and then even organic meat producers would become viable option to meet demands.

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