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What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by macintux »

rectangletangle wrote: post #192
cgmg wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why two centuries? Most areas of the world are extremely unlikely to be involved in a nuclear conflict and/or receive significant damage.

Two centuries is somewhat arbitrary, because there are so many assumptions in the notion of "large scale nuclear conflict" as is. Areas that aren't direct targets of nuclear weaponry will still suffer major setbacks, as supply chains for various goods and resources are disrupted. Present day problems, like hunger, access to medical care, and safe drinking water would just become magnified. For example, a nuclear conf…

If oil production is destroyed, I assume the secondary impacts will be catastrophic.

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Post by newfoundglory »

totalZero wrote: post #194
chiefalchemist wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. The USA has actively created plenty of shitholes - in places where the faces are not pure European white - and that gets zero public reaction. The current POTUS uses the word shithole to describe a group of countries and he's X, Y and Z. Yeah, Trump is a moron. But the hypocrisy of the press and the public is a moral violation.

The USA has contributed to the development of plenty of flourishing economies. Panama is a rich nation thanks in large part to international cargo shipment. American tourists spend heavily in several other Latin American and Caribbean economies. South Korea is one of the most highly developed nations in the world, despite having been relatively poor prior to the Korean War. Canada and Mexico have benefited for years…

America’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan didn’t start after 9/11.

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Post by mfukar »

cbr wrote: post #207
mfukar wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of procedure do you imagine is in place for a 'false-alarm' type of situation like this?

If the alarm is as easy to trigger as pushing a single button, then issuing an update that it was a mistake should be designed for. Ideally just a couple presses, something that can be done in under a minute.

Firstly, I think you're mistaking "pushing the wrong button" with "pushing a single button". Not that we know either to be true, but anyhow..

..that's not what I asked. The EAS, EBS, DEAS, etc. they've all had issues with false alarms and operator error before. What kind of provisions and procedures for case like this do you think have been made?

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Post by exabrial »

hedora wrote: post #10

How close did we get to nuking them “back”?

I seriously doubt we would or should... Too close to China and Russia.

China said they would not get the USA's way, if NK initiates. A nuclear explosion near their border would assuredly remove that protection.

Finally, there are very few military targets there that a nuke would be more useful than conventional weapons.

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Post by Narretz »

sneak wrote: post #42

If someone did launch a missile, and it were destroyed with a secret weapons system, this is precisely the timeline (alert, not a drill - passage of 30+ mins to write a cover story about shift change, “oh sorry false alarm”) and news articles I would expect to see. The only thing we know is that we won’t ever receive the truth. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if the story were “US anti-missile defense dest…

South Korea and Japan routinely are reporting about North Korean missile strikes independently of the US military. So this seems extremely unlikely.

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Post by bahmboo »

We sat next to a water tank on the side opposite of Honolulu. No other options. A year ago if we had gotten the same alert it would have just been wtf instead of terror. Hacker angle: we need different levels of emergency alerts. People turn them off because they don't want yet another irrelevant flood warning for some place 20 miles from them or an Amber alert at 3 am. In this particular case the lucky ones had them turned off. 38 minutes to send out correction. Just sayin

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Post by exabrial »

Everyone is talking about nukes... I doubt nk has a compact nuclear warhead that can fit on a ballistic missile. Maybe in another 5-10 years, but not right now.

They most likely have chemical and biological weapons, as confirmed by the nk soldier that defected and had anthrax antibodies in his blood.

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Post by henrikschroder »

nkurz wrote: post #90

I saw a high-effort self-post on Reddit that gave a good framework for evaluating what might have happened. I thought it was good enough that I've recopied it here in full hoping that author appreciates reaching a larger audience and that discussion here might be better than that on Reddit. Repeating, I'm not the author of what's written below. --- A couple of possibilities for what REALLY went down in Hawaii yesterd…

Ok, let's debunk this crackpottery.

> The threat was real, the missile was shot down

If NK had launched something, multiple countries would have detected the launch, acted against the launch, and let everyone else know about the launch.

If NK had launched something, it would have been picked up by NORAD or similar, and the order to alert everyone would have flowed downwards from there, which means that all the alert systems on Hawaii would have gone off, and we would have seen a substantial military response. This didn't happen, only a single system broadcast the alarm.

> The EAS was hacked to provoke reaction from Trump [..] onsidering how many people could have died if we had retaliated

The EAS is not a launch detection system. Hawaii State EMA is not a launch detection agency. In the case of actual launch, actual launch detection agencies would know first, and then tell Hawaii State EMA to trigger all the alarms. The information doesn't normally flow the other way around.

As the information that an alarm was going off in Hawaii, everyone above in the normal notification chain would question it and ask why the fuck the alarm was going off, since they would know they didn't order it.

If you think the US would start nuclear retaliation without confirmation of actual launch, you're an idiot.

> The EAS was commandeered by a disgruntled employee

Possible. It's directly contradicted by the official statement, though.

> The monitoring system used to look for incoming threats malfunctioned

If actual launch detection systems had picked up a launch, then you would have information flowing out of NORAD, ordering all emergency alert systems to go off, sirens, EAS, tv, radio, the works. You would also have a military response, and you would have procedures for informing political leadership, including the president. None of this happened. A single alarm system in Hawaii went off.

> In an attempt to distract the MSM from some policy he is currently pursuing, Trump ordered the "fake" threat.

How the fuck would the federal president be able to order a state civilian agency to execute and cover up such an idiotic plan, without it leaking, and without anyone questioning?

> The mistake was exactly that; a mistake

And this is the only sane guess in this wall of idiocy.

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Post by bahmboo »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I'm currently living in Japan. So obviously I have a plan for nuclear war. First, I'm going to press send on the doomsday draft which is sitting in my e-mail. Second, I'm going to go to youtube and play "We all go together" by Tom Leher. Third, I got a bottle sitting in my desk that I'm going to pop open. Presumably I'll be in the office at the time so one final round with the coworkers. The people in this article se…

Yah I hear ya, but if it's dprk launching a "low yield" device that lands a distance away you aren't going to be too happy with thousands of shards of glass in you because you didn't take some simple precautions.

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Post by henrikschroder »

cbr wrote: post #205
McKayDavis wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had considered that too and breaking a window to gain access was an option. I'm not a member of the church, but I chose this building specifically as it was most likely to have other people seeking shelter there who also had keys to the building. Indeed, the first family to arrive after us lived a block away and I did verify they do have a key.

I'm not a member of the church I'm atheist, but if things were going horribly wrong LDS would be high on my list of people to be around.

Pro: A bunch of them are nutty doomsday preppers, with a lot of food supplies in their basements.

Con: The polygamy, child abuse, and endless fast and testimony meetings get kinda old after a while.

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