I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw PTSD.
In fact, I would say that it was the goal of this event -- inducing PTSD on a small part of the U.S. (the state of Hawaii).
What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
>What if it's a conventional bombing, or you're not directly in the blast zone? Or if the nuke fails to detonate? Yeah, this has been the most frustrating thing reading all of these accounts. A "ballistic missile" does not necessarily have a nuclear warhead. I don't see anyone correcting this and it seems like an important thing to know.
Yes, but in the minutes you have between warning and impact, how do you make this assessment? I think most people's immediate thoughts after the warning was North Korea and Nuke.
It's not that you need to know definitively, you just need to understand that there is a strong possibility that the warhead is non-nuclear and therefore a strong possibility that the worst-case doomsday scenario won't happen even if the attack is real.
This is apparently really important for people to understand, since so many commenters are saying they'd just wait to die since they assume a nuclear attack is not survivable. Few people would make this assumption about non-nuclear weaponry, so they should know that missile attack is not necessarily synonymous with nuclear weapon.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup. The USA has actively created plenty of shitholes - in places where the faces are not pure European white - and that gets zero public reaction. The current POTUS uses the word shithole to describe a group of countries and he's X, Y and Z. Yeah, Trump is a moron. But the hypocrisy of the press and the public is a moral violation.
You're aware that a lot of people are upset about the sentiment expressed and not the word used to express it, correct?
You're aware that the alleged sentiment of a word pales in comparison to actual actions that need no bias interpretation in order to be upsetting to anyone with a moral compass, correct?
Put another way: Stick and stones and MIC drones are breaking non-white bones and you're worried about the alleged sentimate of a word? Turn off the MSM and get a new less rose coloured filter.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Until it becomes the sad norm and you just get on with your life I guess.
(Just for clarification, this doesn't make it any better or less traumatizing. It is probably much more traumatizing, people just have to cope with it, because you can't live in constant fear forever.)
I have friend who in Jerusalem Israel during the second intifada. Terrorists were blowing themselves up on busses killing or maiming nearly everyone on the bus. Yet the locals continued to take busses because they needed to get to school or work and stopping normal life until after the terrorism stopped was out of the question. Not everyone can simply go on a vacation until everything fixes itself.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see much evidence that people are aware.
Oh they know, but either rationalize it or say 'it's too big for me to fix' and go about their day. It takes a certain sort of perversity to actually dedicate your puny efforts to interfering with the machine.
Here's how we can settle this. Stop 20 random people on the street. Ask them: How many civilians were killed in Iraq? Or ask: Who controls and executes the USA drone attacks?
I'll give you $100 for every right answer if you give me $20 for every wrong. I'm confident you'll owe me in the end. Sad, but true.
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#176If someone did launch a missile, and it were destroyed with a secret weapons system, this is precisely the timeline (alert, not a drill - passage of 30+ mins to write a cover story about shift change, “oh sorry false alarm”) and news articles I would expect to see. The only thing we know is that we won’t ever receive the truth. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if the story were “US anti-missile defense dest…
The likelihood of this being the case seems so close to nil. For one, the coverup required would involve thousands of military and non-military personnel. But secondly, if we really did destroy an incoming warhead, well, that would constitute an attack — the attack — and I can’t fathom the US military not counter-attacking. So no, I don’t think you have to worry about that. Just a fat fingering, no more.
> For one, the coverup required would involve thousands of military and non-military personnel.
Over a million people have a TS clearance.
As for not fathoming the military counterattacking—that is an excellent motive for keeping such an event secret.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wasn't in Hawaii, but I also imagine that I would assume that an alert like this is a false alarm. I've just lived through too many scenarios like this, albeit not on the same scale (think false fire alarms.) Upon reflection, however, this seems like the definition of survivor bias.
I remember an occasion when I lived with a partner - the fire alarm had gone off and I immediately got out of bed and started putting my pants and shoes on. She asked why, I said "so we can go outside. What are you doing? Let's go." She said she didn't understand the point - if it was a REAL fire, wouldn't they just come get us or tell us? I don't know how prominent this thought process is, or why so many people don'…
I wouldn’t expect someone to come get me if there was a fire, but I suspect I would have a fairly low sense of urgency. Fire alarms in my experience have had an incredibly high false positive rate, either due to unannounced drills, pranks, or “correct” operation (e.g. smoke from the stove).
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#178I'm currently living in Japan. So obviously I have a plan for nuclear war. First, I'm going to press send on the doomsday draft which is sitting in my e-mail. Second, I'm going to go to youtube and play "We all go together" by Tom Leher. Third, I got a bottle sitting in my desk that I'm going to pop open. Presumably I'll be in the office at the time so one final round with the coworkers. The people in this article se…
You can survive a nuclear war. People survived very close to the hyoocenter of Hiroshima, even without warning or knowing about fallout.
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Growing up I got the impression that a fallout shelter was a purpose-specific room deep underground. So every time I saw the "Fallout Shelter" sign on a building, I figured it was built with one of these "secret underground rooms". Think dedicated, locked stairwell that goes a thousand feet underground; after all, that's how it was pictured in my "Way Things Work" book. When we went to the bank, it was something of a…
It takes far less to be an effective fallout shelter than you might think. If you look at lethal ranges on H-Bombs you see incredible destruction, but if you're protected for the first 1hour after a blast you can be surprisingly close to the blast and live.
Fallout shelters aren't about protecting from the nuclear blast but from the fallout that comes afterwards. The secret to surviving fallout is to put as much distance and stuff as possible to places where fallout collects like the ground. And then stay there for 24-48 hours. Looking for buildings with basements, or the center of multi-story buildings.
The advice I have heard is if not in proper shelter, like house without basement, to shelter in place to survive blast, and then move within the first 15 minutes to better fallout shelter.
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#180Thanks for this, when I heard about the announcement my mind just went blank and I'm nowhere near Hawaii!