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What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by danepowell »

brndnmtthws wrote: post #2

I live in New York City and I felt a small degree of panic when the reports showed up on Twitter. However, my initial instinct was "either the system doesn't work, or someone messed up". If someone started firing missiles at the US, the risk that we'd start shooting them back seems high, and I think NYC would be a city that would get pummeled in retaliation. This is probably true for a lot of major coastal cities, es…

I wasn't in Hawaii, but I also imagine that I would assume that an alert like this is a false alarm. I've just lived through too many scenarios like this, albeit not on the same scale (think false fire alarms.)

Upon reflection, however, this seems like the definition of survivor bias.

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by holman »

sneak wrote: post #42

If someone did launch a missile, and it were destroyed with a secret weapons system, this is precisely the timeline (alert, not a drill - passage of 30+ mins to write a cover story about shift change, “oh sorry false alarm”) and news articles I would expect to see. The only thing we know is that we won’t ever receive the truth. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if the story were “US anti-missile defense dest…

The likelihood of this being the case seems so close to nil. For one, the coverup required would involve thousands of military and non-military personnel. But secondly, if we really did destroy an incoming warhead, well, that would constitute an attack — the attack — and I can’t fathom the US military not counter-attacking.

So no, I don’t think you have to worry about that. Just a fat fingering, no more.

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by sdrothrock »

tomalpha wrote: post #51
IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I'm currently living in Japan. So obviously I have a plan for nuclear war. First, I'm going to press send on the doomsday draft which is sitting in my e-mail. Second, I'm going to go to youtube and play "We all go together" by Tom Leher. Third, I got a bottle sitting in my desk that I'm going to pop open. Presumably I'll be in the office at the time so one final round with the coworkers. The people in this article se…

> I'm currently living in Japan. So obviously I have a plan for nuclear war. I can't tell whether this is meant seriously or not, but assuming it's serious, I'm genuinely curious as to why this is "obvious"? Is this historical (Hiroshima/Nagasaki) or due to current political tensions?

I'm also in Japan, and I have a pretty serious go-bag for this kind of thing. It's because of political tensions for me; we're in spitting distance of North Korea.

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by gdubs »

It’s interesting how people (anecdotally) don’t seem to have any plan for a nuclear attack, as opposed to, say, an earthquake or a fire.

I think there’s a stigma around even considering the possibility. However, it makes sense to at least talk with your family about what you would all do.

According to what I’ve read on the gov sites, it’s very survivable for a lot of people if you take key steps: surround yourself with as much building as you can (the middle floor of a high rise, or a basement three stories deep, etc.) Shower and dispose of any clothing that may be contaminated. Wait out the initial 24 to 48 hours until you’ve gotten official instructions (a hand crank radio is good to have.)

Generally, having a first aid kit, water, and food, is common sense for any potential outage of the infrastructure.

Sucks to consider the possibility, but worth having a conversation.

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by sschueller »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #38

I think it's safe to assume the 100,000+ Iraqi civilians killed in the conflict in Iraq received no such warning. It's shameful how completely unaware most Americans are of the terror their MIC imposes on others. Ironically, this incident in HI will feed the collective fears and the wrath of the MIC will extend further still. The opportunity to question the status quo will be lost.

Or the continued drone war that is inflicting a continuous terror on many civilians. Now considerd standard operating procedure and no longer mentioned in the media.

Imagine living your life not knowing if the coffee place you are visiting is in a drones cross hairs. Then image what kind of hate you would feel towards the country inflicting this terror on you.

This is not how you solve extremism and bring peace. This is how you make it worse.

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by rtx »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #38

I think it's safe to assume the 100,000+ Iraqi civilians killed in the conflict in Iraq received no such warning. It's shameful how completely unaware most Americans are of the terror their MIC imposes on others. Ironically, this incident in HI will feed the collective fears and the wrath of the MIC will extend further still. The opportunity to question the status quo will be lost.

Maybe they realize it, but benefits of an empire are too great to give up.

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by RoyTyrell »

sneak wrote: post #42

If someone did launch a missile, and it were destroyed with a secret weapons system, this is precisely the timeline (alert, not a drill - passage of 30+ mins to write a cover story about shift change, “oh sorry false alarm”) and news articles I would expect to see. The only thing we know is that we won’t ever receive the truth. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if the story were “US anti-missile defense dest…

What if this site is actually just a government tool to monitor "woke" people, and you're one of the handful of users that isn't a bot or a shill...

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by beamatronic »

herbst wrote: post #46
ourmandave wrote: post #40

Nearly forty minutes passed before a second message went out: “There is no missile threat or danger to the State of Hawaii. ...“It was a mistake made during a standard procedure at the changeover of a shift, and an employee pushed the wrong button.” I've seen some shitty Admin Panels, but somebody "pushed the wrong button" and an end-of-your-world false alarm was going off for 40 minutes?! WTF?

Exactly my thoughts. Errors happen, Developers are lazy and interfaces suck. However this is definitly not a excuse, multiple things have to be completely wrong that it even could get this far.

I've built a lot of alerts. The "This is not a drill" text should not have even been entered until the system was fully tested and operational.

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by knz »

brndnmtthws wrote: post #56
herbst wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, my initial instinct was "either the system doesn't work, or someone messed up". Why? What really surprises me the most is that this seems to be a common thought. Did that happen before? Do you simply misstrust your government so deeply that you can not even assume something important like this is done right? Really if i would get such a message on my phone (not even sure if my country does that) i would de…

For me it's 2 things: 1) it seems incredibly unlikely, and 2) these systems haven't really been tested adequately for me to have much confidence in their utility.

The emergency alert system has been used here in Minnesota for tornadoes, amber alerts, and flash flooding. Sitting in a room and hearing every phone go off or waking up to your own phone making the warning tone is quite alarming.

If I received one about a nuclear missile I'd assume it's legitimate and at least take some minor precautions while trying to verify the alert. It's foolish to assume every unlikely alert is a false alarm.

That said, a single nuclear missile seems incredibly unlikely to me. I'd expect multiple missiles and an associated cyber attack if another nation state was willing to start a nuclear exchange. A single missile is just inviting the wrath of the US and rest of the world for little benefit.

Re: What It Felt Like in Hawaii When Warning of an In-Bound Missile Arrived

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Post by chiefalchemist »

sschueller wrote: post #65
chiefalchemist wrote: post #38

I think it's safe to assume the 100,000+ Iraqi civilians killed in the conflict in Iraq received no such warning. It's shameful how completely unaware most Americans are of the terror their MIC imposes on others. Ironically, this incident in HI will feed the collective fears and the wrath of the MIC will extend further still. The opportunity to question the status quo will be lost.

Or the continued drone war that is inflicting a continuous terror on many civilians. Now considerd standard operating procedure and no longer mentioned in the media. Imagine living your life not knowing if the coffee place you are visiting is in a drones cross hairs. Then image what kind of hate you would feel towards the country inflicting this terror on you. This is not how you solve extremism and bring peace. This…

Yup. The USA has actively created plenty of shitholes - in places where the faces are not pure European white - and that gets zero public reaction.

The current POTUS uses the word shithole to describe a group of countries and he's X, Y and Z.

Yeah, Trump is a moron. But the hypocrisy of the press and the public is a moral violation.

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