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Feel free to put that in scare quotes, as if you can barely register its existence! In fact, that whole enterprise is probably misguided and full of falsehoods, anyways, having witnessed the lies and attacks, first hand, for years! Better nip it in the bud now, while you still can!
It’s a bit unfortunate that Elm will always be left out of lists like this. Yes it’s a different language that compiles to JavaScript, but unlike other languages that do this, Elm exists solely to excel at front-end web development. Ironically, that Redux and React equivalents are some of the “batteries included” in Elm can make it harder to pitch because at first it seems like you’d have to add that stuff in.
They included purescript (compilers), so why not elm, which has orders of magnitude more users?
> You want to add new features to the language... such as "type checking". Feel free to put that in scare quotes, as if you can barely register its existence! In fact, that whole enterprise is probably misguided and full of falsehoods, anyways, having witnessed the lies and attacks, first hand, for years! Better nip it in the bud now, while you still can!
I don't think the author had malicious intent.
Unfortunately, we use quote marks for at least 2 different meanings:
(1) type checking ... as dismissive sarcasm
(2) type checking ... as a delimiters for industry vocabulary
Based on all the other uses of quotes in the blog post, he's using it as (2) terms of art. Some style guides suggest using italics instead of quotes for terms of art but a nice property of "quotes" is that it survives copy & paste into plain text files.
> You want to add new features to the language... such as "type checking". Feel free to put that in scare quotes, as if you can barely register its existence! In fact, that whole enterprise is probably misguided and full of falsehoods, anyways, having witnessed the lies and attacks, first hand, for years! Better nip it in the bud now, while you still can!
>scare quotes I don't think the author had malicious intent. Unfortunately, we use quote marks for at least 2 different meanings: (1) type checking ... as dismissive sarcasm (2) type checking ... as a delimiters for industry vocabulary Based on all the other uses of quotes in the blog post, he's using it as (2) terms of art. Some style guides suggest using italics instead of quotes for terms of art but a nice propert…
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reading over the Elm documentation, I respect the ideals a lot, it looks like a fantastic language, but why does it need to be a completely new language instead of a framework in js? It's not particularly convincing to my co-workers if I have to convince them to try a completely new syntax instead of just a new framework. Actually, I think this is why something like cycle.js is more tractable.
Because a framework can't bring new language primitives, such as types?
It’s a bit unfortunate that Elm will always be left out of lists like this. Yes it’s a different language that compiles to JavaScript, but unlike other languages that do this, Elm exists solely to excel at front-end web development. Ironically, that Redux and React equivalents are some of the “batteries included” in Elm can make it harder to pitch because at first it seems like you’d have to add that stuff in.
Except that it unfortunately falls short of that.
Super anecdotal / off topic but still fun. In 2014 I emailed with a guy who worked at Google to take over control of a domain he wasn’t using. All was well and he gave me access. I checked his Github project. Some tiny SPA framework with three examples and a handful of github stars. Looked nice. Fast forward three years. Over 2017 me and my (former) small dev team embraced Vue.js, built a non trivial checkout flow an…
I chose to make a desktop app with Electron and Vue and Element UI without having any experience with any of those and hardly any JS experience. I had a full working app that synced with a server and allowed multi-user editing with auto updates in under 3 months.
Shared libraries and projects are definitely accelerating developers' abilities to quickly build things.
Somewhat predictably, the (static, non-interactive) page took about 30 seconds to load, thanks to all the Javascript.
Nope, javascript is less than 1/4 of this page, time for the "above the fold" render for me (on standard laptop + broadband) is under 0.5 seconds. Please examine other possible causes for a 30 second page load, unless you're running on an 1st gen raspberry pi, 56k modem and a browser with a showstoppingly bad js engine. EDIT, using chrome's dev tools I tried loading with the "slow 3g" preset, rendering of useful text…
That is not an achievement.
Why is Polymer left out of frameworks top 10? It has 18k stars and should be No. 3... https://github.com/polymer/polymer https://risingstars.js.org/2017/en/#section-framework
First of all, that is "stars added in that year", not "stars total". Secondly, shouldn't the fact that that would have made Polymer #3 given you some thought? Polymer has ~19k stars total. React has ~85k stars total. Vue has ~80k stars total. AngularJS (v1) has ~58k stars total. Angular (v2+) has ~32k stars total. Ember has ~18.6k stars total. Preact has ~17k stars total. So Polymer is behind React, Vue, AngularJS an…