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Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by qubex »

ParamModule wrote: post #24
qubex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Repudiation of this abhorrent ”hookup culture” that seems to be sweeping through our western societies is to be applauded. I’m not arguing for abstention, but reserving sex for monogamous, committed relationships is, as far as I am concerned, an unmitigated good.

I disagree with that completely, like honestly people that prefer monogamy generally do so because they are either afraid to be alone, because it was what they were brought up on, just don't want to deal with being rejected a bunch before hooking up that night, or they are romantics. Monogamy is rarely worth it just because there aren't a lot of people out there in the world that meet the conditions of the sex not be…

I feel so sorry for you. Not because we have different opinions, but because you’re somebody that thinks nothing of calling your only girlfriend a “slut”.

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by qubex »

jack9 wrote: post #39
ParamModule wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with that completely, like honestly people that prefer monogamy generally do so because they are either afraid to be alone, because it was what they were brought up on, just don't want to deal with being rejected a bunch before hooking up that night, or they are romantics. Monogamy is rarely worth it just because there aren't a lot of people out there in the world that meet the conditions of the sex not be…

> I disagree with that completely, like honestly people that prefer monogamy generally do so because they are either afraid to be alone, because it was what they were brought up on, just don't want to deal with being rejected a bunch before hooking up that night, or they are romantics. That's a bitter remark. I think there's a lot to be said for having a life partner by the age of 30 (there are movie tropes about thi…

How functional can somebody be if they think nothing of slandering their only-ever girlfriend a “slut”? I just hope he’s not in the mature-adult age-bracket yet.

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

qubex wrote: post #33
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that there is a hookup culture sweeping through our western societies is directly contradicted by the numbers presented in the very article we are discussing here. And anyway, I reject this prudish Judeo-Christian inspired sexual ethics. Sex is good and good for you . There should be more of.

You’re most welcome to reject this ”Judeo-Christian prudishness” (or whatever you want to call it) but just keep in mind I’m an atheist, and all for rejecting dogma — including the new doctrines of consumerism that is snaking it’s way into our private sphere, making us all willing to use each other (apparently) for our short-term jollies.

There is nothing new about us humans having short-term jollies, or even medium- / long-term jollies that are non-monogamous.

Short- / medium- / long-term non-monogamous jollies goes as far back as time immemorial. As far back as the beginnings of life itself. I'm willing to bet monogamy is the new normal as far as historical longevity is concerned. I'm no anthropologist, so I'm willing to be corrected on that matter.

Also, I'd argue consumerism isn't exactly new either. People have been blowing their pay packets at their local pub since the invention of the local pub.

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by BjoernKW »

ikeyany wrote: post #25
BjoernKW wrote: post #14

Indolent and conformist perhaps is another way to describe this. I fail to see how this a good thing. A young generation perpetuating pointless taboos imposed on them rather than making their own experiences frankly is a sad development.

Is there anything wrong with waiting to have sex with someone you're invested in? I've found those types of experiences to be worth it, long-term. It's interesting that some see that as naive--it's the opposite if anything. Easy sex is fun but it would seem hard to invest in anyone but myself.

I'd say it depends on if it's truly what you want or if it's something that society wants from you. Too often these ideas are societal norms rather than our own opinions.

Notions like "waiting for Prince Charming" or the one things like purity rings are a symptom of in my opinion are indeed naive and against human nature.

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by tzahola »

Teenagers have always rebelled against the rules and ideas imposed on them by their parents/grandparents.

This does not mean that they will be more lenient/hedonistic than their parents though! We’re seeing the counterexample in the coming generations.

It’s pretty funny to see people’s dismissive reactions in this thread. So much for not being bigoted like your parents, eh? :)

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by qubex »

yarrrr wrote: post #22
qubex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Repudiation of this abhorrent ”hookup culture” that seems to be sweeping through our western societies is to be applauded. I’m not arguing for abstention, but reserving sex for monogamous, committed relationships is, as far as I am concerned, an unmitigated good.

The downvotes are telling. They wanted to make heterosexuals as promiscuous as homosexuals to normalise their situation. Now that's being undone. Certain people are scared.

Don’t try to make this into a proxy for homophobia, please. This (or at the very least my comment) has nothing to do with making value judgements on whom you are attracted to or what orientation you subscribe to. There is no attempt at creating moral equivalency and I am definitely not going to let it stand unchallenged that my stance is about denigrating people of differing orientations.

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

iotscale wrote: post #17
qubex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Repudiation of this abhorrent ”hookup culture” that seems to be sweeping through our western societies is to be applauded. I’m not arguing for abstention, but reserving sex for monogamous, committed relationships is, as far as I am concerned, an unmitigated good.

IMHO it's bad, as long as a lifestyle is pushed heavily from people who aren't immediate family. Doesn't matter if it's "hookup culture" or waiting for the prince charming to marry.

> as long as a lifestyle is pushed heavily from people who aren't immediate family

Is a lifestyle pushed by people who are immediately family inherently a good thing?

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by yarrrr »

qubex wrote: post #46
yarrrr wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The downvotes are telling. They wanted to make heterosexuals as promiscuous as homosexuals to normalise their situation. Now that's being undone. Certain people are scared.

Don’t try to make this into a proxy for homophobia, please. This (or at the very least my comment ) has nothing to do with making value judgements on whom you are attracted to or what orientation you subscribe to. There is no attempt at creating moral equivalency and I am definitely not going to let it stand unchallenged that my stance is about denigrating people of differing orientations.

I was talking for myself, not for you.

Also, homosexuality is abhorrent.

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by Blazespinnaker »

quadcore wrote: post #8
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #2

If the downstream consequences of this: > Teenagers are also having less sex, especially of the procreative kind. In 1991, 54% of American teenagers in grades nine to 12 (ages 14-18) reported that they were sexually experienced, and 19% claimed to have had sex with at least four partners. In 2015 those proportions were 41% and 12%. America’s teenage birth rate crashed by two-thirds during the same period. Is this: >…

I wonder the impact of social media here again. When I was in high school in 2000, there s been a couple of events that could not be done nowdays: a drunk and naked girl dancing on a table, some other having sex in a bar, oral sex in the middle of a party, etc. You do any of that today, you end up on internet.

Yeah, think of the cam scene in American pie. The gossip that fires through the internet. iPhones are like cctvs per person.

Re: Teenagers now better behaved and less hedonistic but lonelier and more isolated

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Post by shawabawa3 »

yarrrr wrote: post #22
qubex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Repudiation of this abhorrent ”hookup culture” that seems to be sweeping through our western societies is to be applauded. I’m not arguing for abstention, but reserving sex for monogamous, committed relationships is, as far as I am concerned, an unmitigated good.

The downvotes are telling. They wanted to make heterosexuals as promiscuous as homosexuals to normalise their situation. Now that's being undone. Certain people are scared.

haha wtf

Maybe people just want to enjoy their life without some judgy puritans telling them what to do

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