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MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

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Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

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post #12

If a group wants to peg a coin to the dollar, why don't they just issue coins for $1, put that directly into a savings account, and allow redemption of any coin for $1?

What's the incentive for you to make your token stable at $1? You can print the tokens, so it's worthless to you. Why not take the $1, spend them on, say, a house, but not tell anyone?

This is the situation with Tethers right now.

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#32
Author has misunderstandings of what he's criticizing. From the article I suspect he thought the crash was caused by undercollateralization at first before his friend corrected him. His 15 minute attempt to understand the system didn't include enough time to check the collateralization ratio limits.

Also claims that a collateralized stablecoins "only works if the collateral value keeps rising", and that selling something is equivalent to using it as collateral

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#33
post #25

The thing the author seems to be confused about is that when people talk about stable coin they aren't claiming that the market can't be irrational. They are claiming that over a sufficient period of time the coin will trend towards its target. In the case of DAI today, that target is 1 DAI == 1 USD. This means that while the market may irrationally buy/sell DAI for more or less than 1 USD, over time it will trend to…

> They are claiming that over a sufficient period of time the coin will trend towards its target This is not what the MakerDAO team, nor any other stablecoin shill, is claiming. They are claiming the system "ensures" that the stablecoin is "a money that will always maintain its purchasing power." "Ensure" and 'always' don't mean "trend towards over time." They mean always, as in all the time. If their intention is to…

But isn't 'hover around the same value long term' maintaing the purchasing power? I guess if you interpret the marketing as 'will literally always be worth $1.00' you'll be disappointed but it's weird to take that interpretation when it's not really attainable for anything that isn't a US dollar.

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#34
post #11

It is funny because this guy also fundamentally doesn't understand how Basecoin works. "If the price of 1 BASE is above $1, the blockchain prints new $BASE to holders of “BASE Shares” (mother of god), a standalone cryptocurrency which is issued in the genesis block and held by early adopters, which then distributes new Basecoins to them as a “dividend.” Holders of “BASE Shares” are free to either hold onto their Divi…

> the Basecoin will first go to the Bond holders

Only if the price is below $1. You have to read the next paragraph of the blog post to get to that.

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#35
post #28
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there are thin enough markets of course "always maintains purchasing power" is impossible. This is true for USD ad well.

The difference being that USD doesn't pretend to be pegged to anything. My point about MakerDAO is that the development team is claiming the impossible is possible.

One of the many aims of US monetary policy is that USD doesn't lose too much purchasing power too suddenly (eg no unexpected hyperinflation). Of course any currency from a decent country would aim for this kind of soft peg.

I guess you're technically correct that their marketing material claims to go beyond this in a eay which is technically impossible

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#36
post #33
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are claiming that over a sufficient period of time the coin will trend towards its target This is not what the MakerDAO team, nor any other stablecoin shill, is claiming. They are claiming the system "ensures" that the stablecoin is "a money that will always maintain its purchasing power." "Ensure" and 'always' don't mean "trend towards over time." They mean always, as in all the time. If their intention is to…

But isn't 'hover around the same value long term' maintaing the purchasing power? I guess if you interpret the marketing as 'will literally always be worth $1.00' you'll be disappointed but it's weird to take that interpretation when it's not really attainable for anything that isn't a US dollar.

It's not even technically attainable for USD. If China places huge market orders for a basket of commodities with USD, USD would lose purchasing power wrt the basket for a short amount of time (I think a few seconds is possible).

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#37
post #12

If a group wants to peg a coin to the dollar, why don't they just issue coins for $1, put that directly into a savings account, and allow redemption of any coin for $1?

You have to trust the group that they won't for eg suddenly take the money in the savings account and run off (not honor redemption) some point in the future

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#38

The thing the author seems to be confused about is that when people talk about stable coin they aren't claiming that the market can't be irrational. They are claiming that over a sufficient period of time the coin will trend towards its target. In the case of DAI today, that target is 1 DAI == 1 USD. This means that while the market may irrationally buy/sell DAI for more or less than 1 USD, over time it will trend to…

It may attempt to trend towards the dollar over time, but will it be trending that way during the time that you personally need it?

"The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent", springs immediately to mind.

edit: Also, pegging a cryptocurrency to the dollar seems almost comedically perverse. What is it for?

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#39
The author's main point is that since the token is collaterized by ether, the value of the coin depends on ETH rising in value. The token's creators attempt to solve this by over collateralizing 50% which he considers foolish because it just adds leverage to the system so when losses occur, they are exaggerated.

Re: MakerDAO’s “DAI” stablecoin is breaking, as predicted

#40
post #11

It is funny because this guy also fundamentally doesn't understand how Basecoin works. "If the price of 1 BASE is above $1, the blockchain prints new $BASE to holders of “BASE Shares” (mother of god), a standalone cryptocurrency which is issued in the genesis block and held by early adopters, which then distributes new Basecoins to them as a “dividend.” Holders of “BASE Shares” are free to either hold onto their Divi…

Well, of course it's easy to ensure that the price doesn't stay above $1. You can make more of them. It's ensuring that the price doesn't stay below $1 that's hard. You have to draw value from some reserve. If that reserve is depleted, you're screwed. All attempts to peg currencies run into that problem.
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