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Re: Firefox bullshit removal

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No it’s just beholden to one or another of them.

I was under the impression the search deals are merely which engine are the default. How does having the default search be Google make the Mozilla corp beholden to Google?

If the search engine is unhappy, they will pay less money to be the default.

Re: Firefox bullshit removal

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No it’s just beholden to one or another of them.

I was under the impression the search deals are merely which engine are the default. How does having the default search be Google make the Mozilla corp beholden to Google?

If Google is paying what Yahoo was, it's $300 million a year for the default search option on Firefox. Google pays Apple billions to stay the default on the iPhone as well.

Re: Firefox bullshit removal

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Indeed. I wonder how they can get anything done. (Other than posting on HN itself, that is)

With the exception of a couple of sites, I rarely turn on javascript. (There are a few sites where the homepage will have just show something like "turn javascript on to see this site"; I just take that as an invitation to leave the site and, if necessary, to search for an alternative.) About the only thing I'm having difficulty with at the moment are TV listings: was able to see TV listings without javascript on zap…

eBay, PayPal, and Amazon are useless without JavaScript, just off the top of my head.

Re: Firefox bullshit removal

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Yeah. Companies should be transparent about the data they collect and how they anonymize it – and should be easily disabled if needed if you need serious privacy, as is possible that some resourceful actor could de-anonymize the information somehow. But this kind of data is not necessarily harmful. People disabling telemetry will often be the same ones complaining about "poorly written applications and company X shou…

People disabling telemetry will often be the same ones complaining about "poorly written applications and company X should know better". Well they don't because you disabled telemetry, now the company or organization has no data to improve anything, be it performance, crashes or even UI. Bug reports are not enough. This is the sort of argument that gets thrown around often, and I disagree completely --- data collecti…

Respect the users: let them tell you what they want, when they want, and how they want.

To expand on this a bit, the past several years advertisers and attention brokers have focused on the difference between stated preferences and observed behavior, optimizing for the latter. Unfortunately it seems optimizing for observed behavior amplifies the worst of our base instincts, so even if it improves the bottom line in the short term, we are degrading our civilization in the process.

It's possible a similar discrepancy between behavior and intention exists in UI telemetry. Ask people what they want when at their best, don't optimize for measurements of them at their worst.

Re: Firefox bullshit removal

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post #31

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> Your connection is not secure > > SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE (expired October 31, 2017) Doesn't make me want to listen to any website claiming to "fix firefox" when they can't even bother to keep their SSL certs up to date.

I added an exception and read the page I received. A single author describes changes he made to his Firefox options from 29 onward. There is no plural "they", and, to my understanding, the information is not current. Should this information become inaccessible because certs weren't paid for?

I think he's just pointing out the irony of someone purporting to aid the security-conscious having an expired cert on his own site. Unless this is really some meta-level social commentary on how people will trust a complete stranger's website despite an invalid cert because he seems like a nice guy.

Re: Firefox bullshit removal

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Indeed. I wonder how they can get anything done. (Other than posting on HN itself, that is)

Surprisingly well, from my own experience. It can even increase your productivity and dicrease distractions: it blocks most ads, suppresses annoying "interactive" features, bans participation in most time-wasting sites (eg. facebook) while still allowing browsing. And of course security. For the very few domains I deem absolutely necessary, I can always whitelist them.

It sounds like the problem is you're spending your time on adversarial websites. Give JS to a skillful developer who shares your goals, and they'll use it to make the website better.

Re: Firefox bullshit removal

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>Let's disable Javascript too while we are at it. ...as if much of HN's userbase doesn't already do that.

Indeed. I wonder how they can get anything done. (Other than posting on HN itself, that is)

I wonder how you all get anything done by not disabling it.

No script. If the page breaks, whitelist the primary domain.

For most non shady sites, this gives you a blazing fast site with near zero crap on it.

Re: Firefox bullshit removal

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Surprisingly well, from my own experience. It can even increase your productivity and dicrease distractions: it blocks most ads, suppresses annoying "interactive" features, bans participation in most time-wasting sites (eg. facebook) while still allowing browsing. And of course security. For the very few domains I deem absolutely necessary, I can always whitelist them.

It sounds like the problem is you're spending your time on adversarial websites. Give JS to a skillful developer who shares your goals, and they'll use it to make the website better.

By the look of it that altruism died ten years ago.

Current sites load 20-100 external scripts, mostly in ads, analytics, and non essential content.

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