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Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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Re: Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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In the Philippines, it's "cha-a" or "tsaa", which is a counter-example for "cha" being spread across land. The Philippines was consecutively under Spanish and American rule and 99% of Chinese there speak Hokkien/Min-nan yet do not use "te".

Seems the same applies to Guam as well.

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I'd never heard of this before. Growing up in rural Scotland, meals were always "Breakfast", "Dinner" and "Tea". There was sometimes confusion with other people over whether dinner was a midday or evening meal, but I'd never thought much of it until now.

I'm also originally from rural Scotland (around Tomintoul), for us it was "Breakfast", "Dinner" and "Supper". Upon moving to the central belt, and ingratiating myself into more middle class circles of friends I then discovered: Breakfast - eaten usually when you get up in the morning, say early morning until ~1030am Lunch - eaten from 12pm until ~2:30pm Afternoon Tea - taken from around 3:30pm until 4:30pm (cakes/bis…

I see where Tolkien got his inspiration for Hobbit meals...

Re: Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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Thanks, that was very informative. I was always told that dinner (from "dine") is the main meal of the day. So if you have a 'fancy' afternoon meal that can be your dinner (e.g. we usually do Christmas dinner between 3 and 4). I wonder if HN knows of a linguistic map for meal names, it appears that these words shift meaning a lot. EDIT: I thought this was interesting -- "Harvard's Dialect Survey had the question, 'Wh…

The slightly snooty Daily Telegraph style guide: "Christmas lunch is what most of our readers would eat, not Christmas dinner. Use the latter only if referring specifically to an evening meal." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/about-us/style-book/143530...

If you're ready for Christmas dinner at lunchtime there was something wrong with Christmas breakfast.

Re: Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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I'm no Chinese expert, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I've found that the Chinese word 茶 (cha) doesn't always necessarily mean tea, but can refer generically to a number of different brewed drinks. e.g. barley tea (大麥茶), ginger tea (薑茶), golden oats tea (燕麥茶), etc. all of which translate to tea, but often contain no tea leaves. It may seem like a nitpick, but when you're in China and order what you expect t…

Reading your comment I'm a bit confused about what your point is. Even in English tea doesn't necessarily mean a drink brewed in tea leaves, which you presumably know since you yourself say: > e.g. barley tea (大麥茶), ginger tea (薑茶), golden oats tea (燕麥茶), etc. all of which translate to tea You call all of these things tea (and I would call them all tea too), so I'm not really sure why you say that cha doesn't necessa…

I have heard some people argue that "tea" refers only to things made using the plant Camellia sinensis (e.g. black tea, green tea, white tea) and everything else (e.g. rooibos) is a "tisane".

Re: Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd never heard of this before. Growing up in rural Scotland, meals were always "Breakfast", "Dinner" and "Tea". There was sometimes confusion with other people over whether dinner was a midday or evening meal, but I'd never thought much of it until now.

Thanks, that was very informative. I was always told that dinner (from "dine") is the main meal of the day. So if you have a 'fancy' afternoon meal that can be your dinner (e.g. we usually do Christmas dinner between 3 and 4). I wonder if HN knows of a linguistic map for meal names, it appears that these words shift meaning a lot. EDIT: I thought this was interesting -- "Harvard's Dialect Survey had the question, 'Wh…

I find this particular stuff fascinating.

In spanish you have 3 distinct meals, 'desayuno' 'almuerzo' and 'cena' mapping strictly to a moment of the day, more or less 'breakfast' 'lunch' and 'dinner', with the option of a merienda (roughly 'tea' but usually just sweet food like cookies or some such) between lunch and dinner. Each of this happens on a specific moment of the day (morning, noon, the optional afternoon thing and well into nighttime).

Are there other languages/dialects where the word maps the importance of the meal instead of the actual time it is consumed?

Re: Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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I'd always understood the T to come from the Taxa (Alfandegaria) imposed upon the blocks the Portuguese imported to Europe and sold to the rest of Europe.

Cha (Portuguese) because the Portuguese were not only the first Europeans to reach China by boat, but Japan and India as well, so they used the rightful Asian terms for it, having no other. (back when the Dutch were still pirates hoping to catch a laden Portuguese caravella. FWIW.)

Re: Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd never heard of this before. Growing up in rural Scotland, meals were always "Breakfast", "Dinner" and "Tea". There was sometimes confusion with other people over whether dinner was a midday or evening meal, but I'd never thought much of it until now.

I'm also originally from rural Scotland (around Tomintoul), for us it was "Breakfast", "Dinner" and "Supper". Upon moving to the central belt, and ingratiating myself into more middle class circles of friends I then discovered: Breakfast - eaten usually when you get up in the morning, say early morning until ~1030am Lunch - eaten from 12pm until ~2:30pm Afternoon Tea - taken from around 3:30pm until 4:30pm (cakes/bis…

In spanish I think all countries agree on at least: desayuno (breakfast), comida (lunch), cena (dinner) as the three basic. But we also have merienda and almuerzo which get different times and portions depending on country.

And there can be other terms of course. In Guadalajara, México, where I live, schools say "hora del lonche" (lunch time) to the midday meal.

Re: Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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I'm confused. In Urdu and Hindi it's "chai" (rhymes with eye) not chay (rhymes with stay)

They're using an unusual transliteration. "ay" can sound like "eye" in English but it's atypical to use that in transliterations now-a-days.

Re: Tea if by sea, cha if by land: Why the world only has two words for tea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also originally from rural Scotland (around Tomintoul), for us it was "Breakfast", "Dinner" and "Supper". Upon moving to the central belt, and ingratiating myself into more middle class circles of friends I then discovered: Breakfast - eaten usually when you get up in the morning, say early morning until ~1030am Lunch - eaten from 12pm until ~2:30pm Afternoon Tea - taken from around 3:30pm until 4:30pm (cakes/bis…

In spanish I think all countries agree on at least: desayuno (breakfast), comida (lunch), cena (dinner) as the three basic. But we also have merienda and almuerzo which get different times and portions depending on country. And there can be other terms of course. In Guadalajara, México, where I live, schools say "hora del lonche" (lunch time) to the midday meal.

Interesting. In Puerto Rico, comida meant food and almuerzo meant lunch.
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