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New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

#112
Let's not see this as simply a national policy issue. It's a global problem where peoples lose control to the levers of their governments. Sometimes, it's about a population that is deliberately misguided by propaganda. Often, it's a problem with the concentration of wealth and transnational entities who escape any reasonable form of governance. The solutions to this won't be found by ostracizing any nation's citizens, but, to join in solidarity to solve the economic and governance issues that are at its core.

Cooperative structures could offer an approach to these problems. Cooperatives are a way for a group of people to collectively own shared resources and make decisions about them democratically. Importantly, they are not governmental (i.e., they lack force of the police/military) yet can use the same legal environment that for-profit corporations enjoy. Cooperatives fall in the middle of the political spectrum: to liberals, they are about economic self-determinism; to conservatives, they are about smaller government and corporations. Cooperatives could be used to peel away economic activities from unaccountable entities.

As leaders and doers, we should start thinking about what activities we perform should be governmental, which should be proprietary (privately controlled) and which should be cooperative yet economically participatory. For example, regional water systems are often operated as cooperatives rather than for-profit entities or as a department in a municipal government. This distributes economic and political power. We could build upon this organizational pattern in other industries. We need more tools, research, and investment into how cooperatives could help us form global democratic networks that are small, distributed, financially sustainable, and accountable.

We need global, bottom-up, fractal governance and economic markets that distribute political and financial power.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

#113
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the decoy, or as the main OS? I suppose disconnecting the SATA-cable would make the hdd/sdd invisible to the system...

> I suppose disconnecting the SATA-cable would make the hdd/sdd invisible to the system... On a laptop? All laptops I've seen have the hard disk plugged directly into the motherboard, with no cables in between. Having a SATA cable is more of a desktop thing.

On a macbook there's still a SATA ribbon cable between the HDD/SDD and the mainboard

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

#114

I don't know if it worries my American chums, but I won't visit the USA. As a foreign tourist bringing money into your economy I feel there is a very real risk to my privacy and increasingly my person. I am beginning to favour goods and services from EU where human rights still mean something. Perhaps it doesn't matter to you how the US is perceived overseas, perhaps you don't want my money. Perhaps you don't mind be…

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Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

#115
post #6

This should serve as a reminder to everyone to donate/support EFF and ACLU, as two of the very few organizations that watches for our rights. It is also a reminder that as we get more numb to issues like this, it gets worse. It is probably time to call your representatives and raise your voice.

Doesn't matter how much you push the button at the crossing it shows the green light when it was programmed to, regardless of you.

If you want to cross you either need to wait until the appropriate time as dictated or you need to risk your well being and cross the road.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

#116

Is this only for people entering the country or does it also apply to those in transit?

It's my understanding that a lot of US airports don't have an international-only terminal where people in transit wouldn't have to first go through customs & immigration.

Quick google search brought me here: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i10702-k10297825-Do...

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they should only retaliate on US officials (elected and who work for DHS). Ask them to reveal passwords to national secrets when they enter the country, then detain them for hours when they refuse. The general population should be welcomed with open arms - retaliation on them achieves nothing. It's not their fault.

> The general population should be welcomed with open arms - retaliation on them achieves nothing. It's not their fault. Last time I checked the US had elections, so yes, it pretty much is their fault.

Last time I checked and voted, the US Election system was rigged. Due to political gerrymandering and a conservative media brainwashing machine, even when the country casts 2 million more votes for a president, she is not the one to win.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

#118
It would seem to me the answer is to factory reset your phone before travel and reinstate it after landing. However, the UK is not much better, given recent legislation. Until the average voter gets concerned enough about this to make it an election issue, our lives will be more and more constrained.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

#119
post #12

Absolutely not. Having lived outside the US for two years (so far), I halfway expect to encounter suspicion when I return. I absolutely will not stand for this. I will not cooperate and I will resist as much as possible, short of violence.

As someone who has been living overseas for over 11 years, I can honestly say that US border control and TSA have the most unprofessional and disrespectful employees I've encountered in my travels. It's unlikely they'll ask to check your electronics unless they suspect you've been someplace like Syria, Iraq, etc., but nevertheless they'll look for any reason at all to question you as if you're a criminal. If foreign…

I was suspected of going to Syria, and they did not search my electronics (or anything) at all. It wasn't until after all sorts of questioning that they searched me, and they didn't tell me the reasons for their questions until they were done either.

Oddly enough, I had a raspberry pi with me (with no case or packaging), and I thought I'd get accused of making bombs like the girl at Logan airport. However, the kid searching my luggage said "cool, a raspberry pi! What projects do you do with it?"

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

#120
After the arrest of Marcus Hutchins I have already resolved not to set foot in the USA (unless badly necessary for business :/ ). It is surprising how little international outrage that arrest sparked: if the reasoning of the USA in this case were solid then international travel would halt. You would need to review everything you've done online (the last few years at least but possibly ever) and compare it to the laws of the country you are entering. If the USA believes Hutchins committed a crime according to US laws then they should ask the UK to arrest and extradite him. Let me emphasize: it doesn't matter, at all, what Hutchins have done.

And this was not the first time this was done: Sklyarov was arrested for violating the DMCA while outside the USA as well. That case was one of the primary reasons I excluded the USA as my immigration target and landed in Canada instead (back in 2006 I was in a position where I could choose).

This policy just makes my resolve stronger.

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