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The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

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Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

#111

This. Seriously, I run a bunch of FREE websites and I'm amazed by the stuff that shows up in my inbox. When did it become ok to harass someone running a FREE website? If you don't like it, hit the frigging back button. And get a life.

In my experience the more people pay you the better behaved they are, people who get things for free are the most entitled and abusive.

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

#112
Slight aside, but:

> Would you sign up for a job where you get screamed at all day, every day? Why would you go through that, when there are a million other fields where that doesn’t happen?

The amount of customer service rep/call center jobs we have answers this with a "Yes", I think.

(Not taking into account the reasons people sign up for those jobs though. Probably not because it's their passion...)

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

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post #112

Slight aside, but: > Would you sign up for a job where you get screamed at all day, every day? Why would you go through that, when there are a million other fields where that doesn’t happen? The amount of customer service rep/call center jobs we have answers this with a "Yes", I think. (Not taking into account the reasons people sign up for those jobs though. Probably not because it's their passion...)

Retail it's not all day, every day but not uncommon either. The military can be that way though I guess it is expected a bit. Lots of jobs include abuse.

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

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post #112

Slight aside, but: > Would you sign up for a job where you get screamed at all day, every day? Why would you go through that, when there are a million other fields where that doesn’t happen? The amount of customer service rep/call center jobs we have answers this with a "Yes", I think. (Not taking into account the reasons people sign up for those jobs though. Probably not because it's their passion...)

In all seriousness, no, I don't think so. They get some of that, but not all day, every day.

I shadowed a call center person for an hour at a Fortune 500 company. None of the calls were like that. They do get such calls. We talked about that. But, no, it is not exclusively what they deal with.

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

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post #96

I had a long phone conversation recently with a game industry friend who had the misfortune of being involved in multiple games that became targets of abuse. I had asked him for advice about potentially making some youtube videos about game design, including f2p game design (which I have substantial expertise in). He warned me that depending on the approach, even implying that I thought certain types of games or mone…

You just need to not give a fuck. It works for online interaction and it sure work for other parts of life. Care about what you can influence, don't about things you have no control over. Someone cut in front of you in traffic: good for them. Someone insults you: heh, must be their own insecurities showing. I think the only threshold for online interaction would be people threatening violence against you. If they do,…

> You just need to not give a fuck

Given this is an emotional issue, I suspect this is easier said than done for many people. Whether it be physical pain or emotional pain, some people are more sensitive than others.

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just need to not give a fuck. It works for online interaction and it sure work for other parts of life. Care about what you can influence, don't about things you have no control over. Someone cut in front of you in traffic: good for them. Someone insults you: heh, must be their own insecurities showing. I think the only threshold for online interaction would be people threatening violence against you. If they do,…

Apathy is not a healthy approach to life in general. Forcing yourself to feel "meh" about things you really did enjoy once is soul-crushing in itself.

Not giving a fuck isn't the same as apathy.

My personal example which I am working on is cycling. A lot of drivers in the city are arseholes and think I should get out of their way if they are behind me and honk their horn (despite the fact I am a pretty fast cyclist). I used to get annoyed, flip them a finger and start shouting at them and they would usually shout back. That just gets me angry as well and doesn't really benefit anyone.

These days if I get honked at, I try not to get angry. I slow down to indicate that I heard them honking and I am not going to get out of their way just because they think I should. End result is the driver gets angry while I have a chuckle to myself at them for it. That's "not giving a shit".

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

#117

This is just an ugly side of humanity that has always been there, but is magnified by the combination of anonymity, disenfranchisement, and ever more addicting Skinner-box style entertainment. We are a tribal species; in the past this type of behavior would be socialized out of you or else you would be a recluse. You didn't have the opportunity to sit in your own filth and project your self-loathing onto anyone acros…

We've been perfectly well-equipped to deal with this, but some people are particularly thin-skinned and apparently believe that it's the world's job to adjust to their delicate ego rather than understanding that part of growing up is understanding one's own agency. Playwrights hundreds of years ago didn't like people publicly disapproving their plays, or low ticket sales due to bad word-of-mouth. People have been con…

Oh fuck off you tedious twat. What an asine idiotic argument.

Were you born a moron or did you work hard at it?

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been perfectly well-equipped to deal with this, but some people are particularly thin-skinned and apparently believe that it's the world's job to adjust to their delicate ego rather than understanding that part of growing up is understanding one's own agency. Playwrights hundreds of years ago didn't like people publicly disapproving their plays, or low ticket sales due to bad word-of-mouth. People have been con…

Oh fuck off you tedious twat. What an asine idiotic argument. Were you born a moron or did you work hard at it?

HINT: This post was ironic

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

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post #103

Well, try to publish an academic paper, and prepare for abuse in the form of reviews. At some point you need to learn to just shrug it off and focus on your work. Same is true for making games, I guess.

Do reviews of academic papers typically come in the form of "Hello, FUCK YOU - people do not read this SJW paper, it is retarded and a piece of crap"?

Different words are used, but the meaning is sometimes the same

Re: The problem of game developers receiving abusive messages

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I understand I will be in minority here and I'm ready for downvotes. This article is outrageous not less than tweets inside of it. I think players have a right to express their hatred when they were asking for months about some balance change or submitting negative (but polite) feedback about some change, and didn't receive a single response. And after all of that they receive even worse update for the game they trul…

I think if your emotional reaction to a developer not developing their game in the way that you want is "hatred" you should probably consider that you might be overreacting?

I think if developers are ignoring feedback for months they should expect overreacting.
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