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Wood gas vehicles: firewood in the fuel tank

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Nice thing about wood power is that as long as you have a sustainable source of wood, you're 100% solar-powered and carbon neutral. That is to say, it's a source of energy that is (can be) non-fossil, nor derived from any fossil sources, and which recycles it's own CO2 emissions. There are very few other alternatives that can claim the same. Perhaps Hydro? Solar panels don't offset their construction CO2 costs, and i…

>Nice thing about wood power is that as long as you have a sustainable source of wood, you're 100% solar-powered and carbon neutral. That is to say, it's a source of energy that is (can be) non-fossil, nor derived from any fossil sources, and which recycles it's own CO2 emissions. As long as you're happy pouring carcinogens into the air, sure. Also, compared to oil or coal there's not much energy in wood, so it doesn…

You can get power out of wood/cellulose without combustion byproducts.

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Nice thing about wood power is that as long as you have a sustainable source of wood, you're 100% solar-powered and carbon neutral. That is to say, it's a source of energy that is (can be) non-fossil, nor derived from any fossil sources, and which recycles it's own CO2 emissions. There are very few other alternatives that can claim the same. Perhaps Hydro? Solar panels don't offset their construction CO2 costs, and i…

>Nice thing about wood power is that as long as you have a sustainable source of wood, you're 100% solar-powered and carbon neutral. That is to say, it's a source of energy that is (can be) non-fossil, nor derived from any fossil sources, and which recycles it's own CO2 emissions. As long as you're happy pouring carcinogens into the air, sure. Also, compared to oil or coal there's not much energy in wood, so it doesn…

There's a lot of energy in wood compared to coal. Wood has around 2/3 of the energy of coal by mass. What do you think coal is made from?

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>Nice thing about wood power is that as long as you have a sustainable source of wood, you're 100% solar-powered and carbon neutral. That is to say, it's a source of energy that is (can be) non-fossil, nor derived from any fossil sources, and which recycles it's own CO2 emissions. As long as you're happy pouring carcinogens into the air, sure. Also, compared to oil or coal there's not much energy in wood, so it doesn…

There's a lot of energy in wood compared to coal. Wood has around 2/3 of the energy of coal by mass. What do you think coal is made from?

Isn't most of the mass of wood water?

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>Nice thing about wood power is that as long as you have a sustainable source of wood, you're 100% solar-powered and carbon neutral. That is to say, it's a source of energy that is (can be) non-fossil, nor derived from any fossil sources, and which recycles it's own CO2 emissions. As long as you're happy pouring carcinogens into the air, sure. Also, compared to oil or coal there's not much energy in wood, so it doesn…

There's a lot of energy in wood compared to coal. Wood has around 2/3 of the energy of coal by mass. What do you think coal is made from?

Charcoal is made by burning wood in a low oxygen environment, driving off water and organics, while carbonizing lignin, cellulose, etc. Coal is a petrochemical mass formed underground from organic matter over long timescales.

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There's a lot of energy in wood compared to coal. Wood has around 2/3 of the energy of coal by mass. What do you think coal is made from?

Isn't most of the mass of wood water?

Dried wood suitable for burning is around 20% water at most, else it won't burn with much heat. It can go down to around 6% IIRC for kiln-dried wood suitable for construction.

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Important downside explained half way through: "if we were to convert every vehicle, or even just a significant number, to wood gas, all the trees in the world would be gone and we would die of hunger because all agricultural land would be sacrificed for energy crops."

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Isn't most of the mass of wood water?

Dried wood suitable for burning is around 20% water at most, else it won't burn with much heat. It can go down to around 6% IIRC for kiln-dried wood suitable for construction.

Boiling water costs a helluva lot of energy. Do these engines recover that energy?

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In order to be efficient and powerful, a steam engine needs high-pressure steam, which can only be safely contained by thick, heavy boilers and pipes. This makes miniaturization of steam engines for cars difficult. Gasification of wood allows you to keep the benefits of the internal combustion engine.

I think the bigger issue is adapt vs rebuild. The Doble steam cars are at least on the cusp of practical. (they are very high maintenance compared to modern cars)

Thanks; I had never heard of the Doble Steam cars until now. I found this video of Jay Leno driving one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUg_ukBwsyo

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Nice thing about wood power is that as long as you have a sustainable source of wood, you're 100% solar-powered and carbon neutral. That is to say, it's a source of energy that is (can be) non-fossil, nor derived from any fossil sources, and which recycles it's own CO2 emissions. There are very few other alternatives that can claim the same. Perhaps Hydro? Solar panels don't offset their construction CO2 costs, and i…

Still release a lot of syngas, which, if it was on world wide scale wouldn't be good.

The whole point of gasification is the production of syngas. You don't vent syngas to the atmosphere for the same reason you don't pour gas on the ground. Burning syngas doesn't have to emit carbon monoxide, a catalytic converter like on almost every car out there would work just the same to clean up the emissions.
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