How does Signal's chat security compare to Keybase.io's chat? Keybase has more features, but if it's not as secure, then it doesn't matter.
Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
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Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
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I just tried it on this webpage, and you’re correct! I really dislike behavior like this that is useful to a few people but is far more likely to be encountered accidentally and feel buggy.
You're kidding right? It's been a feature of iOS for what feels like forever, and it's literally the one thing I miss most when switching to Android. I have witnessed first hand, very un-tech savvy iOS users using the feature, as well as people confused (my daughters) why the same action on Android doesn't product the same result. I thought this was one of Apple's "protected" features that everyone used/loved - guess…
I agree it’s useful on web pages but there has got to be an option to disable that in app conversations.
Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
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For some reason having the (non business) Skype is not hard to sell in a big "old school" enterprise, because it's microsoft. I'd have a much harder time selling Discord because of how they market themselves. They could make "discord for business" that is literally the same app and have great success. Other than that my only complaint is that it's a bit electron-y.
> They could make "discord for business" that is literally the same app and have great success. Discord is sometimes known as "slack for gamers" so you're effectively describing Slack :)
Yes. But slack, like HipChat thinks I want to pay 500MB RAM and $7 per user per month to chat and voice call.
Effectively all I want is a lean chat/voice app that’s also ideally free. This is pretty easy - but when you throw in the other Skype features (group voice, screen sharing, mobile apps) as requirements, it’s actually pretty hard to match in the free tier.
Skype is $0 regardless of company size and the resource use is pretty reasonable.
On that topic: Why aren’t more companies using discord instead of Slack? Looking at feature matrices it seems discord does in the free version a lot of what Slack does in paid (e.g group voice)?
Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
#144skype had this already before ms.
ms opened skype up to government ages ago so this doesn't mean much of anything, there are backdoors.
https://youtu.be/J1q4Ir2J8P8?t=2880
Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
#145Wikipedia: "Signal relies on centralized servers that are maintained by Open Whisper Systems."
Would it be possible to use the same open source proto and crypto that Signal chose, but in a way that does not rely on third parties to run servers, such as OWS, WhatsApp, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, etc.?
Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
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But... Skype does remember conversation history?
Hm, I seem to also have issues with Skype history. I can't find a way in the new UI to go back more than ~6 months of conversation history. I lost an semi-important document that was shared with me over skype because of that.
> I can't find a way in the new UI to go back more than ~6 months of conversation history.
First, you'll want to make sure Skype is set to keep message history forever: Skype -> Privacy -> Keep history for... -> Forever
Then, you can right-click on a contact -> View Old Messages -> 1 Year, etc.
This is assuming you're using Skype, and not Skype for Business; they are not the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_for_Business
Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
#147I made a request for e2e to Discord a while back. It became one of the most voted suggestions but got denied. Maybe this will push them to take another look.
On the other hand, I think they are trying to avoid the less nice usecases of communication by restricting themselves to gaming.
Discord is already being heavily used in the less nice gaming communities revolving around cheating, compromise/hacked accounts (not just game) selling/malware and game related phish/keylog.
But incidentally the same people selling hacked spotify and netflix accounts also provide "support" over skype, so opsec, meet window I guess
Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
#148Wikipedia: "Signal relies on centralized servers that are maintained by Open Whisper Systems." Would it be possible to use the same open source proto and crypto that Signal chose, but in a way that does not rely on third parties to run servers, such as OWS, WhatsApp, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, etc.?
Yep. You can use Signal Protocol over XMPP by using an OMEMO-compatible client [1]. You can pretty "easily" host your own XMPP server using Prosody [2] on a Raspberry Pi.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMEMO 2. https://prosody.im
Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
#149Ugh, people are still using Skype?
Anecdotally, Skype seems to be the go-to solution for talking to infrequent business contacts. If you don't want to give somebody your personal number or your WhatsApp or similar, and they're not on your slack, but you want something quicker than email then Skype is the usual solution. If you suggest some app they don't already know, it might feel like you're inconveniencing your contact. but everybody knows skype an…
What about something like https://appear.in?
Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype
#150Wikipedia: "Signal relies on centralized servers that are maintained by Open Whisper Systems." Would it be possible to use the same open source proto and crypto that Signal chose, but in a way that does not rely on third parties to run servers, such as OWS, WhatsApp, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, etc.?
Yes, but decentralization is a difficult problem. I think eventually it will become like email, where everyone just uses GMail.
NAT, Firewall, etc all make it very difficult to do true P2P as well.