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Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Great news. More funding for Open Whisper to provide us Signal.

They could get 100x the amount they've gotten so far from these companies if they had launched their own crypto-asset, which is probably by far the best way for an open source project to get funding.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Or the desktop client on OSX keeps asking for admin privileges to install some helper tool every other day, with no explanation for why that's necessary.

That helper tool maxes my cpu every time I’m on a call. It’s amazingly terrible.

these replies are a symbol of what hackernews has become , so political , not much real substance

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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I like it and use it all the time and many people I know also use it a lot. It is not as good for text that is most relevant on the bottom (e.g. text messages) but really useful for webpages, etc.. Some apps implement some logic to scroll back up when you tap it again (Apollo comes to mind). The only disadvantage is that many users do not know about this feature (because there is no indication that the status bar tab…

Agree with this. It's a great feature other than in messaging apps. In those, I wish there was an equally useful feature to get back to the bottom. I've noticed that most people find the feature accidentally, but then once they realize it's an option, use it extensively.

> I wish there was an equally useful feature to get back to the bottom.

WhatsApp shows a small button in the lower-right corner once you scroll up a few messages for this purpose. iMessage scrolls back to the bottom as soon as you focus the input field. I don't know about the others.

But yeah, it highly depends on how the developers decide to implement it, which is suboptimal :(

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

I am using it on Linux and I was very wary in the starting, but then it works so smooth, it is my preferred manner of video call instead of hangouts.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Discord does all of this, though it's not E2E encrypted, and does it all with a fantastic UX.

For some reason having the (non business) Skype is not hard to sell in a big "old school" enterprise, because it's microsoft. I'd have a much harder time selling Discord because of how they market themselves. They could make "discord for business" that is literally the same app and have great success. Other than that my only complaint is that it's a bit electron-y.

> They could make "discord for business" that is literally the same app and have great success.

Discord is sometimes known as "slack for gamers" so you're effectively describing Slack :)

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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I made a request for e2e to Discord a while back. It became one of the most voted suggestions but got denied. Maybe this will push them to take another look.

I'm not knowledgeable about this -- is signal's e2e encryption even viable for a service with N users, and one where new users are being added?

Put another way, if I have a group with 10 users and it's encrypted and then another person joins and can see the old messages, was it actually securely encrypted in the first place?

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Just to get a sense of the track record here, Signal Protocol powers: * Facebook/WhatsApp * Google/Allo * Microsoft/Skype * Signal Signal is also the basis for the protocols for Wire (Proteus) and Matrix (Olm).

I love this. The more encryption is used, the less journalists talking to their sources, lawyers talking to their clients, etc. will stand out.

Unfortunately most of this is opt-in and not opt-out. Opting in for E2E encryption in a Facebook message really stands out.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Maybe they have an 'understanding' about the implementation of the cryptography as they do with WhatsApp, meaning the program doesn't notify you when your opposite's keys change, leaving unscrupulous users (most) susceptible to MitM attacks, which could be used by law enforcement or three-letter-agencies. Plus, Skype probably still makes extensive use of meta-data, Signal allege that they don't, but we can't really a…

Why would you want to assess what's actually running on their servers? Even if you know the code on it, you have no guarantee it's not running inside a hypervisor that logs the contents of memory, or something. In terms of cryptographic robustness, it's good for an app like Signal to have a closed-source server, because it forces you to not trust the server. (This is of course separate from whether it's good for the…

Maybe it’s beside the point, but to be clear, Signal Server source is available here: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Server

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Just to get a sense of the track record here, Signal Protocol powers: * Facebook/WhatsApp * Google/Allo * Microsoft/Skype * Signal Signal is also the basis for the protocols for Wire (Proteus) and Matrix (Olm).

Don't forget EFF also gave it high grades. What I also would like to see is meta-data eliminated in chat, without having to bring up a Tor server on your phone. Build it into the client/software, make it invisible.
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