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Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

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Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

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Post by dillondoyle »

throws990 wrote: post #18

First critique that immediately comes to mind is how the 1,077 homosexual men and 1,231 heterosexual men were selected. If Republicans have taught us anything, it's that self-reporting is not an accurate measure. From the paper: "classified men as homosexual based on both their self-reported sexual identity and sexual feelings" Furthermore, how does this study explain sexual fluidity? IE: I liked kissing boys when I…

The intro to the paper discuss male fluidity a bit (more Kinsey scale extremes for men, ie all gay all straight). I was wondering why it seems always focused on male sexuality and that was an interesting explanation.

Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

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Post by jcelerier »

woodpanel wrote: post #85
peatmoss wrote: post #5

Wow, the bioethical implications of potentially identifying the mechanism of sexual orientation are staggering. I wonder if / how long it will be before parents have the technical means—if not the legal right—to alter their child to be gay or straight through gene therapy. Or even simply selectively bring to term one orientation or the other.

Hallelujah, with these findings and the advancement of CRISPR, religious re-education camps can step up their game! irony_off While I doubt we'd see these means anytime soon, it could go either way I think: Forced abortions because of sex orientation (and who says that it'll have to be the straight people that abort homosexuals, not the other way around?) or taking a pill and become gay for some months, as you wish.…

> (and who says that it'll have to be the straight people that abort homosexuals, not the other way around?)

/me trying to picture two guys having an abortion

Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

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Post by mfukar »

natecavanaugh wrote: post #90
zer00eyz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In reading your comment I was struck by the dilemma that this reality would bring. Those most opposed to homosexuality are those most opposed to terminating pregnancy (mostly). It would create quite a quandary for folks who are inclined to hold these two beliefs.

Your other comments make me think you're someone who appreciates an honest discussion, so thanks for that. I do have an honest question of the reverse. Those most in favor of homosexuality are also those okay with abortion. But if parents started aborting because they were homosexual, would there be any sort of moral/ethical issue? Other comments have rightly commented it could be inverse (selecting for homosexuality…

> But if parents started aborting because they were homosexual, would there be any sort of moral/ethical issue?

Not more so than terminating a pregnancy for any other reason.

Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

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Post by [deleted] »

mfukar wrote: post #103
natecavanaugh wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your other comments make me think you're someone who appreciates an honest discussion, so thanks for that. I do have an honest question of the reverse. Those most in favor of homosexuality are also those okay with abortion. But if parents started aborting because they were homosexual, would there be any sort of moral/ethical issue? Other comments have rightly commented it could be inverse (selecting for homosexuality…

> But if parents started aborting because they were homosexual, would there be any sort of moral/ethical issue? Not more so than terminating a pregnancy for any other reason.

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Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

#105

Post by mfukar »

quantumofmalice wrote: post #71
zer00eyz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your candor: Since were in the realm of hypothetical, I would like to ask you a question. If we manage to identify homosexuality as a genetic disorder, and we determined that there was a 99.999% chance that your children would be homosexual, what would you do?

That would be a tough situation, I'm not sure. My first thought is that the moral choice for me would be to accept celibacy and try to do the best I can for others in that role.

What is the connection you've made between homosexuality, abortion, and celibacy? I fail to see it.

Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

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Post by bflesch »

throwacide wrote: post #69
md224 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ve been suicidal my whole life. That’s pretty intense. Have you tried medication or therapy? Or anything else?

That’s not really important. What is important is that they receive data about the suicidality, because it is inevitable that a large percentage of people like me who are long term suicidal will not have documented it with a medical professional. And, due to privacy laws, it’s difficult to say whether that data if it did exist with a medical professional would make it to 23 and me for them to be able to make such a c…

Hey, I appreciate your thoughtfulness on this issue. As you know, all your feelings are based on the chemistry in your brain. If you want to talk, hmu at beni@strivewire.com

Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

#107

Post by yipopov »

r00fus wrote: post #57
zer00eyz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In reading your comment I was struck by the dilemma that this reality would bring. Those most opposed to homosexuality are those most opposed to terminating pregnancy (mostly). It would create quite a quandary for folks who are inclined to hold these two beliefs.

Cognitive dissonance is alive and well. (edit - spelling)

Whose cognitive dissonance?

Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

#108

Post by yipopov »

mfukar wrote: post #105
quantumofmalice wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be a tough situation, I'm not sure. My first thought is that the moral choice for me would be to accept celibacy and try to do the best I can for others in that role.

What is the connection you've made between homosexuality, abortion, and celibacy? I fail to see it.

Celibacy means you won't have any children. Same reason why a carrier of the Huntington's disease gene may choose celibacy instead of reproducing.

Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

#109

Post by coldtea »

mfukar wrote: post #103
natecavanaugh wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your other comments make me think you're someone who appreciates an honest discussion, so thanks for that. I do have an honest question of the reverse. Those most in favor of homosexuality are also those okay with abortion. But if parents started aborting because they were homosexual, would there be any sort of moral/ethical issue? Other comments have rightly commented it could be inverse (selecting for homosexuality…

> But if parents started aborting because they were homosexual, would there be any sort of moral/ethical issue? Not more so than terminating a pregnancy for any other reason.

Doesn't sound like it.

Usually it's for some reason that's justifiable, e.g. don't have the means to support it, don't want a child ever/at this moment in my life, teenage pregnancy, product of rape, fetus has some inherited disease, etc.

Merely dropping a child because it'll be gay, while being ok to keep another that wouldn't is not exactly of that nature.

Even the most casual reasoning for abortion ("I don't want a child, period") doesn't imply anything more, whereas this can be seen as implying you hate gay people.

Re: Two genes in Chromosomes 13 and 14, linked to Homosexuality

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Post by yipopov »

jcelerier wrote: post #102
woodpanel wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hallelujah, with these findings and the advancement of CRISPR, religious re-education camps can step up their game! irony_off While I doubt we'd see these means anytime soon, it could go either way I think: Forced abortions because of sex orientation (and who says that it'll have to be the straight people that abort homosexuals, not the other way around?) or taking a pill and become gay for some months, as you wish.…

> (and who says that it'll have to be the straight people that abort homosexuals, not the other way around?) /me trying to picture two guys having an abortion

Surrogacy is legal in many parts of the world, and the women are often not in a good position to resist pressure to have abortions.
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