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Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology

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1000 cases in the US because there are no child friendly pain medications (sweet syrup and oral syringe) but by all means risk your child’s liver to prove us all wrong

Quite normal in the UK to use calpol (paracetomol) and nurofen (ibuprufen) in a 5ml syringe (doses at 2.5, 5, 7.5 and 10 as the child gets older). What do you do in the US?

Paracetamol is acetaminophen (Tylenol) and both are commonly given to children. Aspirin typically only if a doctor says it's ok.

Re: Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology

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I've had two doctors suggest taking over 2000mg a day like it was nothing. One of them was a fellow hiker on the Appalachian Trail and suggested it as a daily regimen for regular joint pain (common for long-distance hikers). The other suggested it for aiding recovery from mild frostnip. (In both cases, I ended up only taking it for a few days.) Unless you have stomach problems—NSAIDs are linked to ulcers—high doses o…

A nephrologist I went to a year or two ago explained to me that the danger of ibuprofen is total lifetime consumption. Once you approach 9lbs or so (surprisingly easy to hit if your habit is daily) your risk of kidney failure increases exponentially.

That's roughly one pill a day for 50 years.

Re: Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology

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Okay, so ibuprofen impacts testicular function, acetaminophen/paracetamol causes muting of emotional response (along with the liver toxicity), many other painkillers are related to ibuprofen, and opiates are Right Out. Is aspirin at least reasonably safe as long as the blood thinning isn't a problem?

I can’t take Ibuprofen (or any typical NSAIDS including aspirin) because of a medical condition, which has sucked over the last decade because acetaminophen really doesn’t help me at all when I’m excruciatingly sore for whatever reason. In Oregon and Washington, where I’ve lived for pretty much my entire life, legal marijuana has been amazingly helpful, at least since I finally got around to trying it. The various pr…

If you don't mind answering (as vaguely as makes sense), what kind of pain? Where is it focused (exclusively the hip/s?), what does it derive from?

Depending on the nature of it, you might look at this:

https://www.amazon.com/Genacol-Hydrolyzed-Supplement-Extra-F...

I'll suggest you do your own research on it of course. I've known a few people, myself included, that have seen extraordinary results from taking it for various pain related to anything to do with joints (very split results on working or not, seems to do amazingly for some, and nothing for others). I didn't expect it to do anything, instead it saves me from taking pain killers every day (took my pain from a persistent 5 out of 10 to a 1 or 2 on most days, such that I never need pain killers; I take two each night).

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If you hang around bodybuilding forums you will hear to avoid Ibuprofens as they hurt your ‘gains’ Perhaps bro-science was right in this case

"High doses of anti-inflammatory drugs compromise muscle strength and hypertrophic adaptations to resistance training in young adults"

2017 paper

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apha.12948/abstra...

Re: Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology

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In case you were wondering: Cannabidiol (INN;[3] abbreviated as: CBD) is one of at least 113 active cannabinoids identified in cannabis.[4][5] It is a major phytocannabinoid, accounting for up to 40% of the plant's extract. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

It’s worth noting that a legal version, extracted from Hemp (a form of Cannabis that has no psychoactive properties), is available via mail order anywhere in the U.S.

I've wondered about the efficacy of the hemp versions. A friend of mine was using CBD oil to alleviate his daughter's seizures, and had told me that the hemp based ones were ineffective, and that THC in a small dose had a complementary effect.

I'm not sure if that applies to everything CBD is good for, but does anyone know if it works mostly the same for body aches and the like?

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> Any scientific study with less than 200 participants should be discarded ... Imagine you're investigating a drug for hair loss. You gather a group of 31 bald white men. 15 of them take a placebo and 16 take the experimental drug for 24 weeks. If, after 24 weeks, you find 1 of 15 controls with a full head of hair, and 14 of 16 test subjects with a full head of hair, is 31 too small a sample size?

Yes. Let me rephrase what you phrased: Imagine you're investigating a drug for hair loss, like 20000 other researchers hellbent on achieving their goals. You gather a group of 31 bald white men. 15 of them take a placebo and 16 take the experimental drug for 24 weeks, but because your random allocation put more extra bald people in your non-control group you fixed it by balancing the two groups. Your counterpart that…

This has nothing directly to do with sample size.

First, that's obviously not a rephrasing of what they said. They, very clearly, illustrated a valid case for a well-powered, low sample size study. They presuppose a case where 31 virtually identically-haired white men undergo a treatment and, voila, it works decidedly well.

Second, you're begging the question. You state that the drug doesn't work, yet have concocted a scenario in which it clearly and explicitly works. Even in your "cheatsy" example, 15 of the 16 people go from "bald" to "full head of hair." If the "full head of hair" metric is wrong it has nothing to do with the sample size, rather, we'll find this by examining how the study partitioned groups, pre-trial measurements and its claims to have calculated effectiveness over placebo (ie: actually reading the study).

Third, you've neglected statistical power (which is actually your argument here) for an incorrect statement about low-sample size bias. You state that the mechanism of action for this bias is a pre-partition between [truly bald, nearly haired] and then, given maybe a bit of luck, let good ol' father time take over and show, wow, the (useless) drug works! Maybe everyone experienced a 1.5x follicular density growth, but only because you've been able to presort the group do we see the non-placebo benefit more than the other... except this has nothing whatsoever to do specifically with sample size! If you can sort a trial with 31 people into 15 "truly bald" and 16 "near-haired" you bet you can sort a trial of 200 participants into 96 "truly balled" and 104 "nearly haired" or, heck, just don't even randomize your group selection at all! Or run the study 20 times and pick the successful one! Or any number of other tricks, which are real and meaningful and require someone to actually read the study to uncover instead of just looking at a clearly, very misunderstood, number.

Re: Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology

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Okay, so ibuprofen impacts testicular function, acetaminophen/paracetamol causes muting of emotional response (along with the liver toxicity), many other painkillers are related to ibuprofen, and opiates are Right Out. Is aspirin at least reasonably safe as long as the blood thinning isn't a problem?

In Europe, there's Aspirin-C and Upsarin, basically, pure aspirin with vitamin C, which eliminates the stomach lining issues [0]! I have no idea why this is not offered in America. Maybe, because there's no way to make money from patents and stuff! [0]: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/leo-galland-md/aspirin-and-vi...

> Maybe, because there's no way to make money from patents and stuff

That's definitely not the reason. The over the counter pain killer / pain management sections in CVS, Walgreens and Walmart are half filled with generic options.

Re: Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology

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I can’t take Ibuprofen (or any typical NSAIDS including aspirin) because of a medical condition, which has sucked over the last decade because acetaminophen really doesn’t help me at all when I’m excruciatingly sore for whatever reason. In Oregon and Washington, where I’ve lived for pretty much my entire life, legal marijuana has been amazingly helpful, at least since I finally got around to trying it. The various pr…

I use CBD infrequently for pain. Chronic high CBD usage will result in withdrawal upon cessation. The 5HT1A agonism aspect of CBD makes for a particularly bleak and anxiety ridden withdrawal.

Not sure if it's CBD or THC, but coming off pot makes you realise how madly your REM sleep was disturbed (or basically non existent).

Part of smoking pot I enjoy initially is amazingly deep sleep, but that can't be good in the long term.

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