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Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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I'd bet that at least part of that is in response to competition on the ground. Monkeybrains and Sonic (disclosure: long time sonic customer) both are bringing high-speed broadband to SF. In particular, I have symmetric gigabit for like $50 a month.

I have 15 down 0.5 mbps up sonic for $70...

I've got 55/5 from Comcast for half the price. Promotional, of course, but once promotion ends I'll find some other promotion, likely. Not SF though, a bit south from it.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Title II was never meant to be a good solution to net neutrality. It was used because it was the only level that the FCC had. Congress can actually craft internet specific legislation and should. It seems like Title II has become the end game for many because of pure politics, not because it is a good solution. Remember, parts of Title II had to be ignored to get this square peg to fit. No, don't vote for this. Devel…

I'm not sure why you're being down voted for expressing a rational argument.

I'm all for net neutrality, but I would also much rather Congress made it a law rather than relying solely on title ii.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

#53
post #4

This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Congress ultimately directly serve at the pleasure of their constituents, unlike the FCC commissioners. Point being, the time leading up to this vote is probably be the best time to let your congress members know your opinion on NN. Do not let the "failure"[1] of previous efforts to get congress to act in defense of NN dissuade you from fut…

>This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Congress ultimately directly serve at the pleasure of their constituents, unlike the FCC commissioners.

The best chance is actually passing a bill revising the Communications Act of 1934 to explicitly include internet access. Anything else will result in a return to court battles over whether the FCC has authority to control the medium.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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Seems to me that some of the "ignored" parts of Title II would have nonetheless benefitted consumers. Personally, I would love to see last loop unbundling for broadband.

It's amazing for me to watch the tech community go from the hands off libertarian attitude to full socialist over this issue.

This reaction only makes sense if the situation without Net Neutrality regulation by the FCC is a reasonable approximation to a free market. It isn't. There is already a massive amount of regulation in this sector; it just mostly isn't regulation by the FCC. The big ISPs have cut sweetheart deals with state and local governments for monopoly access to particular areas; and when particular municipalities try to go around that by, for example, building out municipal broadband to be rented out to all comers at market rates, the ISPs have sued them and mostly won.

Net Neutrality regulation by the FCC is certainly not an optimal situation; it's trying to make the best of a highly suboptimal situation because there is no feasible path to an optimal situation.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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post #33
post #4

This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Congress ultimately directly serve at the pleasure of their constituents, unlike the FCC commissioners. Point being, the time leading up to this vote is probably be the best time to let your congress members know your opinion on NN. Do not let the "failure"[1] of previous efforts to get congress to act in defense of NN dissuade you from fut…

> This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Shame, because this vote is incredibly predictable by anyone who has been paying any attention at all. Republicans are on the bullet train to dismantle and sell off the government to the highest bidders. This vote goes straight down party lines. But, it'll be an easy banner for Dems to hoist in November to rally voters, since it's categor…

> Republicans are on the bullet train to dismantle and sell off the government to the highest bidders.

This is equally true of the Democrats; they just have a different set of preferred highest bidders.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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post #41
post #33

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> This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Shame, because this vote is incredibly predictable by anyone who has been paying any attention at all. Republicans are on the bullet train to dismantle and sell off the government to the highest bidders. This vote goes straight down party lines. But, it'll be an easy banner for Dems to hoist in November to rally voters, since it's categor…

> since it's categorical that Americans do not want this madness As an outsider it is kind of amusing when I see lines like "Americans do not want" said by both Democrats and Republicans.

Often these statements are carefully phrased to be correct. For instance, most Americans want to "protect gun rights", and also have "common sense gun laws". These two slogans don't conflict, but the politicians who push them clearly do.

In the case of Net Neutrality, a survey which started by giving people pros and cons of net neutrality found 83% support for it, while another which phrased it as "government regulation" found over 50% opposed.

I would call this a good argument against government by referendum.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/12...

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

#57
post #33
post #4

This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Congress ultimately directly serve at the pleasure of their constituents, unlike the FCC commissioners. Point being, the time leading up to this vote is probably be the best time to let your congress members know your opinion on NN. Do not let the "failure"[1] of previous efforts to get congress to act in defense of NN dissuade you from fut…

> This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Shame, because this vote is incredibly predictable by anyone who has been paying any attention at all. Republicans are on the bullet train to dismantle and sell off the government to the highest bidders. This vote goes straight down party lines. But, it'll be an easy banner for Dems to hoist in November to rally voters, since it's categor…

This is an easy opportunity for Republicans to show they can be bipartisan without actually risking much, given the widespread support there is for Net Neutrality. Later they can attack Democrats for not being more bipartisan on one of their issues.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

#58
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Its an improvement but Comcast has been delaying real improvements for years but collect insane profits (afaik). I would love to see the numbers as well. The X1 DVR as far as I am concerned was horrible compared to the ReplayTV or Tivo circa 2001 (except for obviously HD improvement). It only took 15 years and lots of legislation mandating cablecards and whatnot to get them to get there. I don't have hope that they w…

Comcast profit margin is 12%: https://ycharts.com/companies/CMCSA/profit_margin That's on the high side, usually it's around 10%. For comparison, profit margins for Internet/IT companies are around 25%, Google's 24%. Facebook's a whopping 45%. Microsoft's a remarkable 26%. Is 12% "insane"? Which one would be the "sane" one?

For a company not having any R&D cost, granted monopoly/duopoly via lobbying, yes 12% may be insane.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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post #55
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This vote seems like the best chance of maintaining NN at the national level. Shame, because this vote is incredibly predictable by anyone who has been paying any attention at all. Republicans are on the bullet train to dismantle and sell off the government to the highest bidders. This vote goes straight down party lines. But, it'll be an easy banner for Dems to hoist in November to rally voters, since it's categor…

> Republicans are on the bullet train to dismantle and sell off the government to the highest bidders. This is equally true of the Democrats; they just have a different set of preferred highest bidders.

No it is not.

Republicans are far more dedicated to the task of destroying government than Democrats are. I agree that some Democratic senators have historically been pretty shitty on the topic of net neutrality but this false equivalence nonsense needs to stop. Republicans will sell off national parks, shut down the EPA and FDA and shut down any banking regulation you put in front of them.

Re: Net Neutrality to Get U.S. Senate Vote as Democrats Force Issue

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IIRC, the FCC commissioner's (stated) argument against net neutrality was that it was Congress's job to legislate things like that, not the FCC's job to just write regulations to make it so. Arguably, it's a defensible point. Note well: I take no position on whether this was his actual reason, or just a smoke screen.

This is what overturned net neutrality in 2014, and possibly would have overturned it again without the current administration. The FCC states their right to regulate the issue comes from one incredibly vague line in a 96 act, that they are to “encourage the deployment on a reasonable and timely basis of advanced telecommunications capability to all Americans."
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