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James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by ironjunkie »

lurr wrote: post #606
ironjunkie wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he didn't say that. He speaks about the `distribution of preferences and abilities`. Going from a distribution to state that `women are worse then men at engineering` is a false narrative and COMPLETELY different. You probably didn't realize that because you already made your own politically-correct version of the truth on that subject, and refuse any discussion about those topics. For example, what he said doesn…

Except his point was indefensible, because it was (at best) poorly written.

we are all arguing about a 10 word quotes because that is what the media have chosen to focus on.

If you read the full memo, you understand what he aims at and I don't think it is poorly written.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by dragonwriter »

vowelless wrote: post #403
ryguytilidie wrote: post #324

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Wait, Joe Rogan is considered a right wing youtuber? I listen to his show all the time and I'm a pretty big liberal and while he sometimes does the whole "everyone is sooooo PC now" thing, he also talks negatively about Trump, the GOP and right wing politics constantly. I also listened to the James Damore episode, and while I thought James did a good job of making his point and Joe did an AWESOME job of interviewing…

As I mentioned, I don't disparage "right wing". I actually enjoy Joe Rogans podcast, and also Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson. All three of them are solidly classical liberal, which is probably right of center today (individualism vs. collectivism, equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome, etc). But AFAIK, damore never came to the young Turks, Chapo trap house, which are leftist podcasts. I could be wrong.

> All three of them are solidly classical liberal, which is probably right of center today

Pretty much all of the mainstream “right” and “left” in America are takes on classical liberalism, with different ideas about concrete context applies. The far-right and far-left (including the alt-right as part of the far-right, for this purpose) aren't.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by lurr »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #588
lurr wrote: post #470

I wonder how much evidence google has of people who were pissed off by Damore's memo. Cause really, that's all it should take. "He made his continued employment here impossible because he pissed off his coworkers". Sounds like a completely valid reason to fire me.

If everyone in Google is getting outraged over something that is debatable and that much of the population agrees with, isn't that a sign that Google is kind of in a cultural bubble, an echo chamber? If Google is striving to be a global, multicultural corporation, shouldn't it be allowing of a diversity of thought as well?

I didn't say everyone was outraged.

You don't there are women at Google who say this memo as yet another attack on the idea that they are just as capable as their male counterparts?

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

zpallin wrote: post #554
dmitrygr wrote: post #133

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Yes, yes it is No employer shall coerce or influence or attempt to coerce or influence his employees through or by means of threat of discharge or loss of employment to adopt or follow or refrain from adopting or following any particular course or line of political action or political activity. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

This is good information for people to reflect on this discussion. There is a lot of speculation in this thread and it's what is ultimately leading to the divisive arguing. However, I don't think Google did what you have pasted here. As far as I can tell, they fired him for violating code of conduct, which maintains that employees do not publicize discriminating memos, which he did.

Exactly. You have to think of everyone including the women and be difficult to have him on a team after he wrote the memo and shared his feelings.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by ironjunkie »

samfriedman wrote: post #558
ironjunkie wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he didn't say that. He speaks about the `distribution of preferences and abilities`. Going from a distribution to state that `women are worse then men at engineering` is a false narrative and COMPLETELY different. You probably didn't realize that because you already made your own politically-correct version of the truth on that subject, and refuse any discussion about those topics. For example, what he said doesn…

I'd say that the very fact that identical quotes from the memo can be used to argue opposite positions in earnest shows - with no judgment for which side is correct - that the memo itself is poorly written.

That's maybe why we should stop focusing on a 10 word quote and maybe read and understand the full memo (which provides context) ?

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by lurr »

ironjunkie wrote: post #621
lurr wrote: post #606

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except his point was indefensible, because it was (at best) poorly written.

we are all arguing about a 10 word quotes because that is what the media have chosen to focus on. If you read the full memo, you understand what he aims at and I don't think it is poorly written.

Gee, for a group that seems to complain about suppression of alternative thoughts you sure you do love to accuse everyone who disagrees with you of not having read the memo.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by [deleted] »

ryanbrunner wrote: post #561
balls187 wrote: post #542

Are White Men really booed during company meetings?

I think this is maybe what the suit is referring to: https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950452593565798400 The person in question is talking about what they presented at a meeting, but I don't think it should be interpreted that the booing actually occurred during the meeting itself. In any case, it's not really the best look, but the suit is mischaracterizing it IMO.

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Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

Shank wrote: post #194

Just for once, I'd like a story like this to turn out positively. Not in that James wins or loses this lawsuit, but that something could be positively gained in his life from this experience. Being fired from Google has been traumatizing. He's gone farther and farther into the "unrecoverable from a PR standpoint" zone, and that's really horrible. 10 years from now, he's going to have a hard time finding employment or…

The right wing and egging him on did not help him. It probably contributed to him not realizing the mistake he has made.

Saw an interview with him and saying he needed to have his GF filter what he writes. I was thinking no that is not the issue. Instead do not share these things if they are in your head. Swear him saying that just made it worse. He clearly still does not get it.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by Veelox »

beebmam wrote: post #319
moduspol wrote: post #288

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Why is it that one side gets to make claims accepted blindly as fact unquestionably (unequal representation of women is solely because of sexism) and the other side must be objective / scientific?

The reality is: we don't have a complete answer as to why there is unequal representation of women in tech. Period. We can explore this issue, and in the mean time, let's not make unsupportable claims and assumptions about humans, Ok?

I am okay with not making unsupportable claims and assumptions about humans but that isn't what is happening in tech. The reason given to explain the gender gap is sexism. Which is pretty close to unsupportable...

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

stale2002 wrote: post #531
ihsw2 wrote: post #294

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Companies can simply have a straight-edged policy of no politics -- from religion to economics, it's all off-topic and out-of-bounds.

That is illegal, according to California law. It is illegal to prevent people from engaging in politics, in California.

This is not about politics. It is about basic human decency. There have been some that have since they to make it a social political thing. But the courts do not care about such things. You could never have someone like Damore on a team once they shared such an opinion. He should have kept it in his head. Why now nobody will hire him.
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