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Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

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Re: Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

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the statistical data given in this article seem to show us only one part of the whole picture...

And according to an article published at [1] (and of course, by intuition for many of us), there seems to be an association between a person's wealth and that person's longevity.

If the income gap between different social strata has been widened in the past decade, then it is very likely that the life expectancy of poor people in the country decreases much faster than that overall data could tell us....

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[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4866586/

Re: Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

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> How is the military being crippled? What non-civilian military programs need more funding and why? Speaking generally: Readiness is very low; large amounts of equipment is out of service do to lack of parts, and training is severely cut back, meaning the personnel are not ready to perform their jobs - a major issue when they may die and national security may be harmed; AFAIK training is what has long given the U.S.…

> Also, the military cannot afford weapons programs it needs to compete with 'near-peer' threats such as China and Russia. Defense spending by country (from Google): Russia: $84.9 billion China: $171.4 billion US: $618.7 billion If we can't compete with militaries that spend a fraction of what we spend, the problem isn't lack of funding, it's the people spending it. The military has an efficiency problem, not a fundi…

The U.S. spends far more, but the U.S. has far greater commitments.

Russia and China are "regional powers"; their goal is to dominate the areas in their geographic proximity. The U.S. has to dominate China in its region, Russia in its region, as well as the Middle East, the Americas, and everywhere else.

The U.S. has fought wars in Central Asia and in the Arabian Peninsula recently, as well as standing down an enemy in NE Asia (North Korea) and in Europe (Russia), facing a competitor in the western Pacific (China), and the Persian Gulf (Iran). There are deployments in over 100 nations, IIRC, and ongoing military operations all over, from the Philippines to Chad to Yemen to Somalia to many more. The U.S. Navy secures trade worldwide. And at the same time, the U.S. military must train and prepare for every contingency, from a Chinese invasion of Taiwan to revolution in Pakistan (endangering the nuclear weapons there) to a Russian invasion of the Baltics to a breakdown in order in Lebanon or Venezuala, to Iran restarting its nuclear weapons program ... China and Russia don't have those problems.

Here's an off-the-cuff summary of why: Since WWII, the U.S. has been the muscle behind the rules-based international order. Even domestically, under the rule of law, government needs force occasionally (e.g,, police) to maintain order and enforce laws. Internationally, there is no government; it's fundamentally anarchy. History has shown that the anarchy is very difficult to control and easily explodes into wars that destroy humans, cities, and set back civilization, and that's especially true in the nuclear age. Nothing is worse for humanity than war; WWI and WWII were major examples of that.

Post-WWII, the winning nations sought to prevent or minimize further wars by establishing a rules-based (i.e., legal) international order, centered around the United Nations and other institutions. The rules mean nothing unless someone can back it up, and post-WWII and even now, the U.S. is the only candidate with enough power to do so, military, cultural, and economic. The cost of the U.S. military is considered far less than the cost of anarchy, and in fact the U.S.'s preeminent position means that America has far greater say in international issues than any other nation.

The Trump administration is retreating from that responsibility, to a degree; we'll see how far they go and what the next administration does.

> The military has an efficiency problem, not a funding problem.

That idea has been around forever. Either it's not true, or it's intractable to a degree. Every large institution is wasteful, from Fortune 500 companies to large universities to the U.S. military. Unless you have a viable plan for reducing that waste, and can say what the savings will be, it seems wishful to say 'we'll just cut waste'.

Re: Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

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> Also, the military cannot afford weapons programs it needs to compete with 'near-peer' threats such as China and Russia. Defense spending by country (from Google): Russia: $84.9 billion China: $171.4 billion US: $618.7 billion If we can't compete with militaries that spend a fraction of what we spend, the problem isn't lack of funding, it's the people spending it. The military has an efficiency problem, not a fundi…

The U.S. spends far more, but the U.S. has far greater commitments. Russia and China are "regional powers"; their goal is to dominate the areas in their geographic proximity. The U.S. has to dominate China in its region, Russia in its region, as well as the Middle East, the Americas, and everywhere else. The U.S. has fought wars in Central Asia and in the Arabian Peninsula recently, as well as standing down an enemy…

It's clear that you and I simply have very different world views. You use the term "has to" in talking about what I believe is a pathological need to dominate every other country everywhere. I favor a far more coalitional approach where we don't have to lead nearly as often as we do now. I'd prefer our defense department focus more on actually defending us rather than defending US corporate interests overseas.

> Unless you have a viable plan for reducing that waste

Yep. It's the same plan that works so well for dealing with type-II diabetes. You cut back significantly, funding rather than calories, and force the military to economize. The reason you get waste is a lack of accountability and consequences for overspending. Forcing the military to cut everything non-essential and then keep cutting the cost of the essential until they're spending no more than the next-largest military will force the tough decisions to be made. When you always say yes to military appropriations, those tough decisions are never forced.

The US military is an obese, lumbering 600lb gorilla. It needs to go on a diet to become a svelte, agile and precise tool of last resort. As a bonus, that would either come with tax cuts, national debt reduction or the prolonged life of Social Security. All three of those are, in my view, far superior ways to spend money.

Re: Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

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> everything I've been reading Sounds like you only prefer to read stuff that is pro-Keto. Saturated fat and cholesterol are the cause of many western diseases. Cholesterol-deniers are setting people up to get fatty streaks in their artieries. A low fat/cholesterol diet (especially plant based) is the only one that has been proven to reverse heart disease and type 2 diabetes. Many diets are good for losing weight, bu…

> Sounds like you only prefer to read stuff that is pro-Keto. Sounds like you need to check your assumptions as you have no way of knowing what I prefer to read. Others have already provided studies to refute your claim, but here's one more: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648

> Sounds like you need to check your assumptions as you have no way of knowing what I prefer to read

You said yourself that EVERYTHING you've read in the last couple years has been pro-fat and cholesterol. Am I wrong in assuming that you prefer to read such things?

Re: Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

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The U.S. spends far more, but the U.S. has far greater commitments. Russia and China are "regional powers"; their goal is to dominate the areas in their geographic proximity. The U.S. has to dominate China in its region, Russia in its region, as well as the Middle East, the Americas, and everywhere else. The U.S. has fought wars in Central Asia and in the Arabian Peninsula recently, as well as standing down an enemy…

It's clear that you and I simply have very different world views. You use the term "has to" in talking about what I believe is a pathological need to dominate every other country everywhere. I favor a far more coalitional approach where we don't have to lead nearly as often as we do now. I'd prefer our defense department focus more on actually defending us rather than defending US corporate interests overseas. > Unle…

> It's the same plan that works so well for dealing with type-II diabetes. You cut back significantly, funding rather than calories, and force the military to economize.

You haven't established that there is significant waste or where; I don't even know what problem it solves, and the above has no basis. It's not good policy, it's a talking point.

I'd love to cut waste, but there needs to be a serious discussion, not wishful strategies based on wishful conceptions of the situation. I don't know about the parent, but often this argument is used by partisans who want to cut government no matter what, regardless of the consequences.

> I favor a far more coalitional approach where we don't have to lead nearly as often as we do now. I'd prefer our defense department focus more on actually defending us rather than defending US corporate interests overseas.

Again, this sounds like a nice theory, but do we have any reason to believe it works? AFAIK, history shows that in an anarchic situation like international relations, coalitions aren't stable; you need one actor. What I've read from international relations experts and practitioners is that coalitions don't work now: Effectively, very little happens in the international arena without the U.S. pushing it.

So before we take that plunge, we need to know. Mistakes are very, very costly.

Re: Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

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> Sounds like you only prefer to read stuff that is pro-Keto. Sounds like you need to check your assumptions as you have no way of knowing what I prefer to read. Others have already provided studies to refute your claim, but here's one more: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648

> Sounds like you need to check your assumptions as you have no way of knowing what I prefer to read You said yourself that EVERYTHING you've read in the last couple years has been pro-fat and cholesterol. Am I wrong in assuming that you prefer to read such things?

They did not use the phrase "pro-fat and cholesterol." That implies something entirely different than their actual wording, "not the problems we once thought they were."

Re: Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

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> It seems the Chinese have a viable solution Viable to whom? And who gets to decide? If the Chinese solution is so popular, why don't they hold an election? There is no legitimate government without democracy, without the people deciding who should govern them and how.

lol

Would you mind posting civilly and substantively or not at all?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Life expectancy in America has declined for two years in a row

#188

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It's clear that you and I simply have very different world views. You use the term "has to" in talking about what I believe is a pathological need to dominate every other country everywhere. I favor a far more coalitional approach where we don't have to lead nearly as often as we do now. I'd prefer our defense department focus more on actually defending us rather than defending US corporate interests overseas. > Unle…

> It's the same plan that works so well for dealing with type-II diabetes. You cut back significantly, funding rather than calories, and force the military to economize. You haven't established that there is significant waste or where; I don't even know what problem it solves, and the above has no basis. It's not good policy, it's a talking point. I'd love to cut waste, but there needs to be a serious discussion, not…

I think his point was we don't need to know beforehand where the waste is happening. The funding cuts will force them (the spenders) to figure that out.

What exactly are you afraid of, if we reduce the funding for US military by 90%? Fewer regime changes? Fewer regional conflicts? Fewer civil wars? Because US definitely has been behind some of those in the post Cold War era. What exactly is happening in the international arena, that wouldn't be happening without US interference?

P.S. You don't think there's waste? How about trillions of dollars spent on Iraq/Afganistan invasion, that ultimately led to destabilization of the entire region, deaths and destruction on a massive scale, and emergence of ISIS as a major source and inspiration of countless current and future terrorists worldwide?

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