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Beginner's guide to longevity research

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Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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The author of this overview, Laura Deming, runs the Longevity Fund, and has a research background in the study of aging. She merits congratulations for being, I think, the first by a few years to put together a longevity-focused fund, now joined by e.g. Jim Mellon's Juvenescence venture, Methuselah Fund, Apollo Ventures, etc.

Rejuvenation research after the SENS Research Foundation model of repairing the known root causes of aging is a massive arbitrage opportunity. It remains the case that most people just don't get it, and are thus enormously undervaluing research and companies in this space. That is changing in senescent cell clearance, but six or seven other nascent areas of research and development are in exactly the same position senescent cell clearance was in back in 2010 - no attention, little funding, low valuation, huge potential for breakout gains in said valuation on producing a technology demonstration for rejuvenation in animal models.

It seems likely that the Longevity Fund will do well on the basis of having invested in Unity Biotechnology alone, even putting aside any other successes. The article linked here is a useful overview, with copious references, of the type of work presently taking place in the aging research community. It well illustrates that, aside from senescent cell clearance, nearly everything that counts as a major interest by funding and number of scientists involved is a form of tinkering with stress response biochemistry to modestly slow aging - not addressing root cause molecular damage by repairing it, but rather messing with metabolism to slow damage accumulation. Nowhere near as helpful.

Given what we know, where the data exists to compare outcomes between short-lived and long-lived species, the approach of altering metabolic processes to enhance beneficial stress response mechanisms is not going to move the needle all that far in humans. The results should be exercise-like and calorie-restriction-like in that they have worthwhile effects on long-term health, assuming that the cost of development and treatment is low, but they won't add much more to life expectancy than those two items are capable of achieving - which means perhaps the low end of five to ten years at best in our species, assuming life-long commitment to the intervention. Given that senescent cell clearance is a going concern, and other damage repair approaches such as cross-link breaking should follow in the years ahead, we can hope that the focus of the research community will shift as other approaches prove themselves much more cost-effective and successful.

Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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Very interesting research, but trying to derive actionable recommendations for humans seems a bit laughable at this point. Still seems tough to become immortal these days. Harvesting young blood, a rigid diet, castration and starving yourself occasionally - lots of effort your self-absorbed wealthy investor with a desire to live forever has to go through. But then again, Sam Altman recently praised China for having f…

Actionable things for humans at the moment appear to look like trying senolytic drug candidates in rational self-experimentation, with before/after tests of metrics linked to tissue stiffness, inflammation, kidney and heart function.

Clearing senescent cells very clearly produces a degree of rejuvenation in mice, and can turn back progression of aging and specific age-related diseases via a sizable number of metrics.

Of those senolytic drug candidates, dasatinib plus quercetin if you're fine with short burst of chemotherapeutics, or FOXO4-DRI if you are fine with using peptides lacking human data. Both of which should be filed under the "risk that needs to be well understood" category. Or you could wait a few years for the first human trials to run through and more data and better drug candidates to arrive.

But these things are on the menu of possibilities, and are not expensive at all to carry out as exploratory tests.

Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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This is a pretty fantastic writeup, short and simple on each topic with loads of sources. For those looking for something actionable, you may want to head to the reddit board for intermittent fasting. It's a good way to lower your caloric intake and increase autophagy. People doing intermittent fasting often also eat a keto diet that is mentioned in the writing as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/ h…

I have made many attempts at fasting. I'm skinny as a rake and get very weak without some kind of constant caloric intake. I also get "hangry" and make bad decisions on an empty stomach.

Is this just me? Or is this a thing that everyone has and just works through?

Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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This is a pretty fantastic writeup, short and simple on each topic with loads of sources. For those looking for something actionable, you may want to head to the reddit board for intermittent fasting. It's a good way to lower your caloric intake and increase autophagy. People doing intermittent fasting often also eat a keto diet that is mentioned in the writing as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/ h…

I have made many attempts at fasting. I'm skinny as a rake and get very weak without some kind of constant caloric intake. I also get "hangry" and make bad decisions on an empty stomach. Is this just me? Or is this a thing that everyone has and just works through?

I'm like you pretty skinny. I started IF and also going to the gym to try and put on weight. I never liked eating breakfast but did it because I thought it was something I had to do.

It took me maybe a week or two of not eating breakfast until it felt normal - but now I could never go back. I feel much more in control. Before if I missed breakfast i'd be a mess and my stomach would be making all kinds of noises in meetings. Another plus I can eat massive lunches and dinners to make up for what I didn't eat at breakfast. I've still been able to gain weight this way!

Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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This is a pretty fantastic writeup, short and simple on each topic with loads of sources. For those looking for something actionable, you may want to head to the reddit board for intermittent fasting. It's a good way to lower your caloric intake and increase autophagy. People doing intermittent fasting often also eat a keto diet that is mentioned in the writing as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/ h…

I have made many attempts at fasting. I'm skinny as a rake and get very weak without some kind of constant caloric intake. I also get "hangry" and make bad decisions on an empty stomach. Is this just me? Or is this a thing that everyone has and just works through?

This could just be broscience (I have no formal education in these matters) but I've heard that the need to constantly have calories can be mitigated by eating a ketogenic diet, as it prepares your body to be able to run off of your fat reserves efficiently. If you are in ketosis due to diet all the time then it is easier to fast because your body is already in ketosis. Obviously if you are skinny as a rake you will want to make sure to make up for fasting periods by eating a lot of food during your feeding window, as I doubt you are trying to lose weight.

Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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post #3

This is a pretty fantastic writeup, short and simple on each topic with loads of sources. For those looking for something actionable, you may want to head to the reddit board for intermittent fasting. It's a good way to lower your caloric intake and increase autophagy. People doing intermittent fasting often also eat a keto diet that is mentioned in the writing as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/ h…

My diet is almost small these days but I'm very curious about IF... Hoping I'll have willpower to do one

Honestly, it takes less willpower to do IF than to not do it :p

1. Wake up

2. Make Breakfast

3. Go on with day

vs

1. Wake up

2. Go on with day.

Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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post #3

This is a pretty fantastic writeup, short and simple on each topic with loads of sources. For those looking for something actionable, you may want to head to the reddit board for intermittent fasting. It's a good way to lower your caloric intake and increase autophagy. People doing intermittent fasting often also eat a keto diet that is mentioned in the writing as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/ h…

I have made many attempts at fasting. I'm skinny as a rake and get very weak without some kind of constant caloric intake. I also get "hangry" and make bad decisions on an empty stomach. Is this just me? Or is this a thing that everyone has and just works through?

Depends what you're eating.

Sugar / carbs => Insulin spike > insulin drop > hangry within 2-3 hours

Protein / fat => Smooth sailing for 4-5 hours or more, hunger is much less intense

Just my experience.

Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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post #3

This is a pretty fantastic writeup, short and simple on each topic with loads of sources. For those looking for something actionable, you may want to head to the reddit board for intermittent fasting. It's a good way to lower your caloric intake and increase autophagy. People doing intermittent fasting often also eat a keto diet that is mentioned in the writing as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/ h…

Also, a good subreddit for IF and weight training: https://www.reddit.com/r/leangains/

Re: Beginner's guide to longevity research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have made many attempts at fasting. I'm skinny as a rake and get very weak without some kind of constant caloric intake. I also get "hangry" and make bad decisions on an empty stomach. Is this just me? Or is this a thing that everyone has and just works through?

This could just be broscience (I have no formal education in these matters) but I've heard that the need to constantly have calories can be mitigated by eating a ketogenic diet, as it prepares your body to be able to run off of your fat reserves efficiently. If you are in ketosis due to diet all the time then it is easier to fast because your body is already in ketosis. Obviously if you are skinny as a rake you will…

I will state from first hand, anecdotal experience that a ketogenic diet greatly reduced hangry feelings for me. I ate to satiation at meals, and I could go much longer without eating.
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