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ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Re: ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Post by redsec »

ilaksh wrote: post #8

I am pretty sure this is quite an unpopular opinion, but I think that the biggest issue we have in computer security is culture. Information security breaches are not victimless crimes. The ubiquity of massive security failures shows that they are not rare occurrences. I believe that this symptomizes a failure of our culture, related to an inability to integrate information technology into the proper context within o…

I get your point and I agree about the culture thing, but where do you see someone glorifying criminals with post like this ? It is technical information aimed at ethical hackers or security enthousiasts to improve their skills in a specific domain. For me, it's like saying policeman training to shoot is glorifying criminals.

Re: ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Post by stronglikedan »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #10
ilaksh wrote: post #8

I am pretty sure this is quite an unpopular opinion, but I think that the biggest issue we have in computer security is culture. Information security breaches are not victimless crimes. The ubiquity of massive security failures shows that they are not rare occurrences. I believe that this symptomizes a failure of our culture, related to an inability to integrate information technology into the proper context within o…

Not trying to be rude at all but that's a bit of a dream world. In all of human history the very second someone invents a lock, someone else starts figuring out how to break it. This is extremely unlikely to change, mostly because it's fun and rewarding. I'd agree the biggest issue in Computer Security is culture but it's not that too many people learn what security is, it's the complete and utter disregard that the…

> it's the complete and utter disregard that the majority of developers show for the basics

I'm not sure that can be pinned squarely on the developers. IME, it's often their management that wants to cut corners. Since proper security takes many steps, it makes it an easy target for management to negotiate some of those steps out of the project. I'm sure there are a few developers that don't do it correctly out of sheer laziness, and many that don't do it correctly out of ignorance, but for large projects with many developers (e.g., banking websites, etc.) I would think that most of the developers want to do it correctly, but management thinks it costs too much. Besides, there's no real ramifications for management to consider anyway (which is, IMO, the crux of the problem, but also another problem unto itself).

Re: ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Post by gruez »

dustfinger wrote: post #6
ghughes wrote: post #3

Who made this?

I think the author wants to remain anonymous. A whois query shows that the author / owner's contact info is being kept private. https://www.whois.com/whois/ropemporium.com

it's pretty standard to have private whois registration nowadays, even for sites attributable to you.

Re: ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Post by cantrip »

dustfinger wrote: post #7

This is interesting (these are solutions for the challenges on the site): https://github.com/abatchy17/ROP-Emporium

There are a bunch of solutions on Github but I'm not sure how to judge these ones.

Which solution here was the most interesting to you? Were there any bugs or solutions that were clearly sub optimal?

Re: ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Post by donkey-hotei »

krisives wrote: post #5

Are there leaderboards or profiles?

There's really no need for a leaderboard on a site like this. It's just a site to teach ROP in isolation. If you want to pwn with a leaderboard I recommend pwnable.tw where you can test the ROP skills you learned in the ROP emporium while also learning about auditing binaries for memory corruption bugs of various kinds.

Re: ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Post by dustfinger »

cantrip wrote: post #14
dustfinger wrote: post #7

This is interesting (these are solutions for the challenges on the site): https://github.com/abatchy17/ROP-Emporium

There are a bunch of solutions on Github but I'm not sure how to judge these ones. Which solution here was the most interesting to you? Were there any bugs or solutions that were clearly sub optimal?

A tag search returned two repos with solutions for ropemporium:

https://github.com/topics/ropemporium

Thank you for challenging me on my choice of wording. I shouldn't have suggested that the repo was interesting without properly exploring the contents myself. I only discovered that git repo after reading the article this morning and since I am at work I have not been able to explore the code myself. I posted the link just to share it with anyone else that might be interested.

Re: ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Post by chatmasta »

ilaksh wrote: post #8

I am pretty sure this is quite an unpopular opinion, but I think that the biggest issue we have in computer security is culture. Information security breaches are not victimless crimes. The ubiquity of massive security failures shows that they are not rare occurrences. I believe that this symptomizes a failure of our culture, related to an inability to integrate information technology into the proper context within o…

Burn the dangerous books!

Re: ROP Emporium: Learn return-oriented programming through a series of challenges

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Post by cantrip »

dustfinger wrote: post #16
cantrip wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a bunch of solutions on Github but I'm not sure how to judge these ones. Which solution here was the most interesting to you? Were there any bugs or solutions that were clearly sub optimal?

A tag search returned two repos with solutions for ropemporium: https://github.com/topics/ropemporium Thank you for challenging me on my choice of wording. I shouldn't have suggested that the repo was interesting without properly exploring the contents myself. I only discovered that git repo after reading the article this morning and since I am at work I have not been able to explore the code myself. I posted the lin…

A regular Github search turns up half a dozen more. It feels like you've intentionally limited yourself to the less commonly used tag search in order to attempt to prove a point that isn't there.
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