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The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

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Re: The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

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Dapps can be awesome when you want to avoid counter-party risk. Ether Delta is a great example; however, it's super expensive to use ED (every interaction costs $0.80-$1.60) and unless you're playing with a lot of money it's cost prohibitive to use. Even though they had the dns hijacking a while ago, you can still access the market via direct calls to the contract. When it's time to liquidate a large alt holding back…

You may want to have a look on Etherdelta Guard Chrome Extension (FYI: I built it). I open sourced it https://github.com/paxpelus/etherdelta-guard and you can download the plugin here https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/etherdelta/beeeoaa...

When etherdelta deploys - they call a script of mine that calculates the md5 of their files in github and creates automatically a new version in Chrome Web Store.

I use my plugin whenever I visit etherdelta so I can be sure that their deployed version matches the one on github.com

Re: The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

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No? Because before cryptocurrency, dumb money was in dumb apps like "Yo".

The problem isn't cryptocurrency or fads. Its stupid investors spending money on stupid things. I mean, its fine, its their money and all. But obviously, if investors spent the money on more useful things, it'd be better innovation for everyone (and those investors would surely get better returns).

At the moment, we're in an "everything bubble" and people just don't know what to put their money into. Bonds have low yields, the stock market has a dangerously high P/E ratio, and everything in venture capitalism has the word blockchain in it (even Hooters and Long Island Ice Tea). I'm sure there are some smart investors out there who have figured out what is truly useful, but like the old rule says: 90% of everything is crap. And that includes investments...

Re: The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

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> It remains an open question whether even much, much lower fees would be viable in the long run. The problem is not fees rather usability. If today I speak to a layman about bitcoin he is confused. It doesn't help that people start talking about hardware wallets, multisigs, Segwit etc. Most of those guys find that using cryptocurrency is a pain and want to stick to real money. Yes, it doesn't stop them from speculat…

> One thing has to be noted, while there is a constant parallel drawn with dot com people forget that there was at least 7-8 years head start for a layman to understand "internet".

Bitcoin has been around for 8 years so it's not like there hasn't been enough time. The difference is that the internet was easy to explain to people because it had a number of immediately useful applications: you could almost immediately send email, read the news or stream audio content (by 1995), lookup stock information and place trades, download software, buy things, chat, find a date or adult content, etc. — in most cases things people had been able to do starting at some point in the late 1970s using online services like CompuServ or bulletin boards, only easier and cheaper. Most of these were also easy to explain because they had familiar analogues: buying a book or CD online in the early 90s was immediately familiar — it's like buying from a catalog except that you don't have the delays receiving the catalog and mailing or phoning in your order.

The difference is that Bitcoin doesn't solve a problem which the average person has. To the average person it sounds like using a credit card except that most places don't take it, the fees are orders of magnitude higher, and there's no fraud protection. How many people have a legal reason to prefer it other than paying ransomware or speculating on its price?

Re: The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

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More than anything, the cost to transact with Bitcoin or Etherium (which this article weirdly focuses on), stagnates mainstream adoption.

Sure, I could create my own coin to use as an in-app currency for my project, but why? A coin is only worth what you can buy with it, and nobody is going to sell anything worthwhile with some random, in-app coin.

Even Bitcoin was just abandoned by Microsoft, because it's so overpriced you'd have to be insane to trade anything for it other than high-risk investment cash.

Until this bonkers hype cycle gets to the peak of productivity, the blockchain has no real world purpose other than as a shared database.

Re: The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

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I think people will come up with good sharding and safe off chain solutions to mitigate transaction speed latency. I think the bubble actually incentivizes that.

There's delegated proof of stake coins that have better scalability. Raiblocks doesn't have contention over a single blockchain and gets much better throughput and latency.

"Lightning Network" will really help the PoW coins too.

Re: The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

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post #6

> It remains an open question whether even much, much lower fees would be viable in the long run. The problem is not fees rather usability. If today I speak to a layman about bitcoin he is confused. It doesn't help that people start talking about hardware wallets, multisigs, Segwit etc. Most of those guys find that using cryptocurrency is a pain and want to stick to real money. Yes, it doesn't stop them from speculat…

I fully agree re usability.

It only took about five years, from early 1996 to 2000, for most lay persons in the US to grasp the value of the Internet and begin routinely using it at home or work.

Internet usage in the US went from ~10% of adults to over 50% of adults in that time.

The browser largely extracted away the need for a person to understand much of anything about how it worked. Today most people do not understand very much about the Internet. They know how to use it because browsers are simple and easy to use.

Most likely the lay person will never know anything substantial about how crypto coins actually work. The complexity will be extracted away by services and that'll be that.

Bitcoin has had a several year run up at this point, just as the dotcom era did starting in ~1995. Bitcoin was showing up on national news sources in the US four to five years ago when it first climbed above $100 and then again (at a far more dramatic level) as it climbed toward $1k. I was discussing it with lay persons in 2012 and 2013, they understood it then about as well as they do now, which is to say not at all (imo). My take is that they end up picturing it vaguely as some kind of digital token, while largely not understanding any of the underlying technology. I expect that to mostly continue to be the case.

Re: The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

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There's another issue that I don't see mentioned much here. I was contemplating writing a blog post about it.

Over the past year I've seen a serious decline in early stage angel investment. I've talked to a lot of people who have said similar things. What I've heard and in some cases observed is that it's all going to crypto. All the people who would be making speculative angel investments are now buying into cryptocurrency coins and ICOs in the hopes of riding the bubble.

This is really awful for two reasons:

(1) Few if any of these ICO systems have any utility at all, while many early stage startups end up creating things of actual value. It represents a shift in investment from value creation to pure speculation.

(2) When -- not if, but when -- this bubble pops, a lot of that wealth that could have been used to fund angel investment will be vaporized. Yes most startups fail but at least angel funding tends to support attempts at value creation. In this case we're losing tons of money to support nothing but the burning of coal to heat the atmosphere.

Everything else this article says is spot on-- any value that could be present in cryptocurrency is being harmed by its relentless appreciation. Hyper-deflation is not a desirable characteristic in a currency.

I lived through the dot.com bubble and that one was much less vapid. Even though many startups were over-funded and speculation ran the stock market into crazy land, a lot of actual value did get created. In this case I see almost none.

This whole thing feel like a reductio ad absurdium of financial capitalism, which ironically is the system Bitcoin was created to replace.

Re: The cryptocurrency bubble is strangling innovation?

#20

Alternative perspective: maybe cryptocurrencies are valuable and represent real innovation?

Counterpoint: “Dogecoin, a parody cryptocurrency, just broke $2B for its market cap” although development stopped two years ago.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16096119

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