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Post by jasonkester »

dvt wrote: post #4

This is only tangentially related, but I've been practicing intermittent fasting for the past year, and I cannot recommend it enough -- it honestly changed my life. I feel better, I sleep more regularly, I have more energy, and my mind is more alert. I only eat from 12PM to 8PM. IF is also supposed to have an impact on your microbiome, reduce inflammation, and encourage autophagy (especially in the brain). PS: Please…

I've done this for probably 20 years now, but I just call it "I don't eat breakfast."

Now I have a cool name for it though. Thanks!

It seems to make sense: first, American breakfast is essentially a giant dessert, optionally with a pile of fat on top, so it doesn't seem particularly healthy.

But mostly, eating in the morning seems to get my body thinking about food, so I'm actually hungry for lunch a lot earlier than if I had skipped it. Normal days I eat lunch around 1pm if I remember. "Breakfast" days, I'm starving at 11:30am.

I never realised I got to describe myself as "fasting" though.

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Post by domas »

koonsolo wrote: post #138
hycaria wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also had the food pyramid (it even originated in sweden, the WHO/FAO still edits a version of it), and I don't think it was much different. Also I don't think that science on sugar has been especially promoted anywhere either. I don't think our preprocessed foods use as much sugar as yours (do we even have corn syrup ?). But we sure have some [edit : preprocessed foods], although they are probably not as bad as am…

In Belgium we also had a similar food pyramid. But government now decided to update it, and get rid of all the "economic" influence, which was steered towards grain, meat and dairy industry, and only base it on what is healthy. To make their statement clear, they literally turned the food pyramid upside down. See https://www.gezondleven.be/themas/voeding/voedingsdriehoek . Nevermind all the Flemish, just scroll to th…

Google translate works surprisingly well even on the interactive pyramid translating hover text too.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

tudorw wrote: post #100
hycaria wrote: post #81

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I don't get why you would exclude potatoes and eat bananas. They are very very similar foods. Everything that is flour based is refined, lacks fiber etc so I get the pasta and bread exclusion, but the potatoes one makes no sense imo. Overall in this thread, once again americans discover that they eat shit and simply cooking meals yourself from scratch (with limited fat of course) with no treats between meals makes yo…

Is nutrition and cooking / domestic skills part of the American school curriculum or widely taught ?

Not really. That's one of those things they've been dropping from the curriculum. Where it is taught, half the time it isn't mandatory and is often unhelpful.

I personally had 9 weeks of combined sewing and cooking, that really taught me nothing. (My sister got a lowered grade for not following the recipe exactly). I was lucky - I had already been cooking for a few years by then because I liked it. Had that been my only introduction to cooking, though, I'd not be very functional as a new adult.

My "financial" education happened in 8th grade - age 13, when you can't rent an apartment until 18 most times. This consisted of a car salesman teaching us about loans and interest and tax forms... giving us extra credit if our parents looked at a car. Even more credit if they bought one.

That said, most high schools have some sort of child development classes as an optional class. If you are interested in stem classes or otherwise on a college-bound path, you might not be offered such classes or be able to fit them into your class schedule. High school cooking, if even offered, generally focused on job placement where I lived.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

wutbrodo wrote: post #82
BjoernKW wrote: post #80

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Dropping sugar from your diet definitely is beneficial, however it's easier said than done. There's sugar in almost any food. After all, the fructose in apples and bananas is sugar as well, just not processed sugar. What else do you eat besides bananas, apples, peanut butter, hotdogs and chicken? Doesn't exactly sound like the most varied diet. Also, peanut butter and hotdogs aren't exactly among the healthiest food…

> Dropping sugar from your diet definitely is beneficial, however it's easier said than done. There's sugar in almost any food. After all, the fructose in apples and bananas is sugar as well, just not processed sugar. People are generally referring to dropping _added_ sugar when they talk about dropping sugar. Pretty much every model of nutrition thinks that whole fruit is good for you (in general, and of course excl…

It isn't really unhealthy as a part of your overall diet, but that peanut butter is tricky. Peanut butter lends itself to overeating - a serving size is only 2 tablespoons. About the size of a ping-pong ball. This isn't consistent with the ways most of us eat the stuff. Not to mention that it is just packed with calories. The combination makes it really easy to overeat.

Peanuts are a slightly easier option to control. There are about 45 peanuts in a serving of peanut butter. That isn't bad at all and seems a lot more filling in the long run and harder to over-do with a bit of self-control.

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

agumonkey wrote: post #127
nyc111 wrote: post #124

Title: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome The first sentence of the article: Exercise _may_ change the composition and activity of the trillions of microbes in our guts... Kind of a title bait. Also, if you measure your microbiome every day you would see that it varies widely from day to day. So these results based on one measurement before the experiment and one measurement after are not reliable.

what are other MB influencing factors ? mood ? circadian rhythms ? diet ?

Oh, is this going to be like "X changes your brain"? Where it turns out that doing literally anything changes your brain because it's designed to optimize against absolutely any environment.

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3131s wrote: post #113
hycaria wrote: post #81

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I don't get why you would exclude potatoes and eat bananas. They are very very similar foods. Everything that is flour based is refined, lacks fiber etc so I get the pasta and bread exclusion, but the potatoes one makes no sense imo. Overall in this thread, once again americans discover that they eat shit and simply cooking meals yourself from scratch (with limited fat of course) with no treats between meals makes yo…

> (with limited fat of course) This part, in my experience as someone who is muscular w/ a low body fat percentage, is not necessary. I actually find it easiest to get very, very lean ( I am American too and otherwise totally concur with what you've written. It's shocking how badly Americans eat, and how distant their diet is from what I consider the basic staple foods that humans should be eating. My dietary suggest…

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Post by codebolt »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #86
BjoernKW wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropping sugar from your diet definitely is beneficial, however it's easier said than done. There's sugar in almost any food. After all, the fructose in apples and bananas is sugar as well, just not processed sugar. What else do you eat besides bananas, apples, peanut butter, hotdogs and chicken? Doesn't exactly sound like the most varied diet. Also, peanut butter and hotdogs aren't exactly among the healthiest food…

Mm, all I can say is that it works for me. Kind of weird, yeah, but I suspect we know very little about health. There are too many variables to control for. It's not too surprising that simply dropping the manufactured stuff is beneficial. I guess I meant added sugar. It's nuts that the food we eat won't clearly advertise how much added sugar is in it. They love conflating the two. Nathan's hotdogs are nice because i…

> I guess I meant added sugar.

I think using the term "refined sugar" would also capture what you mean.

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Post by jventura »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6

I dropped all forms of sugar and corn syrup a few months ago. I was never a health nut. Quite the opposite. It's incredible how much your physiology alters just from that. Water tastes good now. I used to drink water with crystal light, because it was so bland. Shed 20lbs without even exercising. I eat bananas, apples, peanut butter and chicken. Learned to cook a few things. You sort of have to, if you want to avoid…

Two years ago I did something similar to what you've done, ie drop sugar, but I never stopped eating pasta, bread or white potatoes (although I dropped considerably my intake of bread), and I still did lose some weight. I did not increase my exercise levels significantly.

I have wrote something about my experience at my blog: http://joaoventura.net/blog/2016/chart-diet/

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Post by DanBC »

codebolt wrote: post #147
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mm, all I can say is that it works for me. Kind of weird, yeah, but I suspect we know very little about health. There are too many variables to control for. It's not too surprising that simply dropping the manufactured stuff is beneficial. I guess I meant added sugar. It's nuts that the food we eat won't clearly advertise how much added sugar is in it. They love conflating the two. Nathan's hotdogs are nice because i…

> I guess I meant added sugar. I think using the term "refined sugar" would also capture what you mean.

Eating lots of honey, or treacle, or brown sugar, or agave syrup, or condensed fruit juice, is going to give you the same problems as eating added white sugar.

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Post by prepend »

hycaria wrote: post #81
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6

I dropped all forms of sugar and corn syrup a few months ago. I was never a health nut. Quite the opposite. It's incredible how much your physiology alters just from that. Water tastes good now. I used to drink water with crystal light, because it was so bland. Shed 20lbs without even exercising. I eat bananas, apples, peanut butter and chicken. Learned to cook a few things. You sort of have to, if you want to avoid…

I don't get why you would exclude potatoes and eat bananas. They are very very similar foods. Everything that is flour based is refined, lacks fiber etc so I get the pasta and bread exclusion, but the potatoes one makes no sense imo. Overall in this thread, once again americans discover that they eat shit and simply cooking meals yourself from scratch (with limited fat of course) with no treats between meals makes yo…

58% of adult Europeans are overweight with 23% obese.

These rates are much better than the US, but it seems like Europe hasn’t yet figured out the whole healthy diet issue.

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