This explanation does not work for all types of depression. There are people who have wonderful lives, fulfilling jobs, happy families, who are still depressed. We need to be more careful in our language, the word depression has become overused, much like the drugs used to treat it.
Seems to me this person has a secret issue you're not aware of then...
Calling for a new approach to depression
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Re: Calling for a new approach to depression
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're missing the point, I think. What they are saying is that some depression is just purely a disease and not caused by events in life, or not caused by any psychological problem. If you disagree, that's fine, but it sounds to me like you're simply dismissing that idea. Consider it like this: most qualities in humans fall into some sort of normal distribution. Some 1% of the population are the 1% with the least na…
I don't think I'm missing the point. And I'm not saying people aren't effected by chemical levels and biological systems I don't fully understand... what I am saying is, anyone who tells you they have a wonderful life and then tells you they are depressed is leaving out something important. Now for the critique, the OP didn't really make it clear who's idea of a wonderful life it is. I also use the word secrect as a…
Re: Calling for a new approach to depression
#123There are two things that both get called "depression". Like so many other confusing things, this all is the result of fuzzy language. There is depression: the feeling of being sad. This can be triggered by all sorts of environmental factors, and is ultimately a psychological disorder that can be solved by changing environment variables. There is also depression: the neurochemcial/neurophysiological disorder that has…
> People who want to fight against the idea that these modern miracles (drugs that treat depression) are effective treatments for this debilitating, but curable disease, The modern miracle drugs that effectively treat and cure debilitating depression are not SSRI's. Whatever benefits SSRIs have are probably a result of their influence on neurosteroids: >> Certain antidepressant drugs such as fluoxetine and fluvoxamin…
In my experience, thyroid etc are the fist things tested for before suggesting depression. Do you have any kind of evidence for that argument ?
Re: Calling for a new approach to depression
#124I am disenhearted by the apparent pseudo-scientific thinking in the comments on this article, and how it'll "be better if you just go workout and eat better", which might work for some people, but not for everyone. If there was a scientific study about changing life habits to stop depression, I'd bet that it would have the same amount of effectiveness or even less than SSRIs. I myself have been "miraculously" cured f…
Being rich won't solve all of your problems. But wealth/funding does solve some problems, and reduces most of the rest by orders of magnitude. In the same way, being in good physical shape, eating healthful foods, sleeping well every night, and not being stressed won't solve every medical problem. But a dependable and healthy body does solve some problems directly, and reduces most of the rest by orders of magnitude.
Every week there's a study that being poor causes a lot of damage to your body (on the DNA level IIRC).
Re: Calling for a new approach to depression
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
My mother suffers from depression and is medicated already for quite some time. Every year when autumn comes her condition gets worse and she ends up in hospital for few weeks where they change her medication and let her recover just to experience the same during the next year. What's especially stunning to me is the reaction of my father and my family who instead to provide her with support and peaceful environment…
> Every year when autumn comes her condition gets worse and she ends up in hospital for few weeks [...] Light is anti-stress. Sounds like your mother would benefit from supplemental light (UV/red/etc) when the sun goes away for the winter. Enough UV, but not too much...
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Re: Calling for a new approach to depression
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost all antidepressants list the increase of suicide risk as a side effect, which is frightening. Zoloft for example [1]: > An increased risk of suicidal thinking and behavior in children, adolescents, and young adults (aged 18 to 24 years) with major depressive disorder (MDD) and other psychiatric disorders has been reported with short-term use of antidepressant drugs. [1] https://www.drugs.com/sfx/zoloft-side-ef…
I'd like to see some controlled studies with marijuana.
Cannabis is on Schedule 1. Which, IIRC means zero beneficial medical use (think heroin, cocaine).
See the recent article with pictures of the "marijuana" that the government gives to researchers.
And with Sessions as the AG, I don't think the situation is changing soon.
Re: Calling for a new approach to depression
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Every year when autumn comes her condition gets worse and she ends up in hospital for few weeks [...] Light is anti-stress. Sounds like your mother would benefit from supplemental light (UV/red/etc) when the sun goes away for the winter. Enough UV, but not too much...
I've had wild and rapid success with 8,000 to 10,000 IU of Vitamin D and 600mg of magnesium as magnesium amino acid chelate, per day. YMMV. Edit: fixed a word
CoQ10 gives you some extra energy. If you are in the US, buy the brand that's USP (IIRC) certified.
Re: Calling for a new approach to depression
#128One of the biggest reasons that antidepressant meds are the go-to treatment for depression in the US is reimbursement. This reason is a cause of another important problem with mental healthcare in the US: shortage of mental health providers Reimbursement for psychotherapy has been getting squeezed in the last several years. Reimbursement for psychotherapy is generally based on time: i.e. $x for a 30 minute session, $…
Doctors don't make any money from writing a script (beyond the payment for the consultation). In fact, the would make more money if they used counseling rather an a drug.
Doctors then prescribe these new drugs perhaps needlessly (Vioxx?) or over generic ones.
Also in my experience counseling is only affordable to the wealthy or people in the criminal justice system (where it is already too late IMHO).
Re: Calling for a new approach to depression
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Getting two (sibling, Border Collie x Foxhound) puppies, and taking a boatload of magnesium and Vitamin D, a fair bit of rock climbing, skiing, jogging, and weight training, seems to have alleviated me of all my anxiety and depression. I obtained a prescription for an SSRI from a doctor, sat in the car outside the pharmacy for an hour staring at the prescription, then drove home. No way, fuck that those drugs. I've a…
YES to magnesium & vitamin D... they must be taken together and work wonders.
I am glad magnesium and vitamin D worked for you, but some people may need prescription medications from a psychiatrist.
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#130"And that’s when, after two more years studying civil servants, he discovered the biggest factor. It turns out if you have no control over your work, you are far more likely to become stressed – and, crucially, depressed." I wonder how this research squares up with the so-called Executive Monkey experiment, which found that it was actually the monkey with more control that had more stress.[1] [1] - https://en.wikiped…
>In an early version of the study, Brady placed monkeys in 'restraining chairs' and conditioned them to press a lever.[2] They were given electric shocks every 20 seconds unless they pressed the lever during the same time period. This study came to an abrupt halt when many of the monkeys died from perforated ulcers.