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Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by tudorw »

hycaria wrote: post #99
zzz157 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's because our government published official diet recommendations (look up the Food Pyramid) and told us we should be eating more grains than absolutely anything else. Science on sugar has been repressed in our country, and the corn industry has exerted pressure in various ways to put corn syrup into absolutely everything. When I grew up, everything I had ever learned told me it was normal and healthy. I have…

We also had the food pyramid (it even originated in sweden, the WHO/FAO still edits a version of it), and I don't think it was much different. Also I don't think that science on sugar has been especially promoted anywhere either. I don't think our preprocessed foods use as much sugar as yours (do we even have corn syrup ?). But we sure have some [edit : preprocessed foods], although they are probably not as bad as am…

"The European Union, which regulates the allowed production quota of sugars, limits the production of GFS to around 5% of total sugar production in the EU, meaning that it makes up a very small percentage of the sugar consumed in Europe."

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by QasimK »

I stopped reading as soon as I saw:

> They began by recruiting 32 men and women who did not exercise.

This is not worth reporting - certainly not in the matter-of-fact manner that they did. It is far far more likely there is nothing worth seeing here.

I wish I had the resources on hand to explain why I believe this. It relates to p-hacking and finding results that just fade away with more in-depth investigations.

32 doesn’t mean the criteria for something that should be reported to the general public. Investigated further? Sure.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by basicplus2 »

TLDR

The scientists found that the animals [mice] with gut bugs from the runners were better able to resist and heal tissue damage and tamp down inflammation than those whose microbes had come from sedentary mice.

...recruiting 32 men and women who did not exercise. About half were obese and the rest of normal weight.

they had the men and women begin supervised workouts, during which their efforts increased over time from about 30 minutes of easy walking or cycling to about an hour of vigorous jogging or pedaling three times per week.

The subsequent analysis showed that the volunteers’ gut bugs had changed throughout the experiment,

Most of these changes were not shared from one person to the next. Everyone’s gut responded uniquely to exercise.

But there were some similarities, the researchers found. In particular, they noted widespread increases in certain microbes that can help to produce substances called short-chain fatty acids... believed to aid in reducing inflammation in the gut and the rest of the body.

They also work to fight insulin resistance, a precursor to diabetes, and otherwise bolster our metabolisms.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by draugadrotten »

lsc wrote: post #63
starjockey wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know im just a programmer,right? http://www.timeforwellness.org/blog-view/vitamin-d-improves-...

I'm not saying you are wrong; I personally believe vitamin D3 is important, too. (I'm also not a medical professional) I'm just saying that the importance of vitamin D3 is not something that can be figured out by common sense; it's the sort of thing that requires a double-blind study.

The importance of vitamin D3 can also be seen in the Somalia diaspora in Nordic regions. The veiled Somali women, with their dark skin, burka clothing and home-dwelling habits, have very low vitamin D levels, leading to health issues in themselves and leading to autism spectrum disorders in their offspring.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4396835/ https://www.somalispot.com/threads/new-research-somali-immig... https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/new-research-somali-immigran... https://www.gnc.gu.se/digitalAssets/1349/1349916_s----f-seve...

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by amelius »

drdrey wrote: post #14
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6

I dropped all forms of sugar and corn syrup a few months ago. I was never a health nut. Quite the opposite. It's incredible how much your physiology alters just from that. Water tastes good now. I used to drink water with crystal light, because it was so bland. Shed 20lbs without even exercising. I eat bananas, apples, peanut butter and chicken. Learned to cook a few things. You sort of have to, if you want to avoid…

I have now been seeing from numerous sources that in order to lose weight, diet dominates exercise. One of the reasons is that exercise is associated with compensatory behaviors (such as increased hunger). So exercise for the health benefits, but alter your diet to lose weight. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-exercise-para...

I've been told that if you exercise 3x an hour every week, then it will be very hard to gain weight, regardless of diet. But that came from a sports guy.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by zzz157 »

abcd_f wrote: post #37
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6

I dropped all forms of sugar and corn syrup a few months ago. I was never a health nut. Quite the opposite. It's incredible how much your physiology alters just from that. Water tastes good now. I used to drink water with crystal light, because it was so bland. Shed 20lbs without even exercising. I eat bananas, apples, peanut butter and chicken. Learned to cook a few things. You sort of have to, if you want to avoid…

> Shed 20lbs without even exercising. Simply not drinking carbonated soda will do that. Ditto counting calories with no changes to the diet composition. Pasta is fine, potatoes are OK, even deep fried ones. Just eat less, basically, and you will shed weight.

Pasta is not "fine"--source? Pasta is all carbs, which just gets turned into sugar in your body.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by n4r9 »

amelius wrote: post #105
drdrey wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have now been seeing from numerous sources that in order to lose weight, diet dominates exercise. One of the reasons is that exercise is associated with compensatory behaviors (such as increased hunger). So exercise for the health benefits, but alter your diet to lose weight. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-exercise-para...

I've been told that if you exercise 3x an hour every week, then it will be very hard to gain weight, regardless of diet. But that came from a sports guy.

In an active week I might do 45-minutes of cycling per day plus three sets of 45-minute weights sessions, but I'll put on fat if I don't watch what I eat. Doing that amount of exercise can make me ravenously hungry.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by hycaria »

tudorw wrote: post #100
hycaria wrote: post #81

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I don't get why you would exclude potatoes and eat bananas. They are very very similar foods. Everything that is flour based is refined, lacks fiber etc so I get the pasta and bread exclusion, but the potatoes one makes no sense imo. Overall in this thread, once again americans discover that they eat shit and simply cooking meals yourself from scratch (with limited fat of course) with no treats between meals makes yo…

Is nutrition and cooking / domestic skills part of the American school curriculum or widely taught ?

I don't know but it's not taught in my country.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by lsc »

draugadrotten wrote: post #104
lsc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying you are wrong; I personally believe vitamin D3 is important, too. (I'm also not a medical professional) I'm just saying that the importance of vitamin D3 is not something that can be figured out by common sense; it's the sort of thing that requires a double-blind study.

The importance of vitamin D3 can also be seen in the Somalia diaspora in Nordic regions. The veiled Somali women, with their dark skin, burka clothing and home-dwelling habits, have very low vitamin D levels, leading to health issues in themselves and leading to autism spectrum disorders in their offspring. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4396835/ https://www.somalispot.com/threads/new-research-somali-im…

Yes, I understand that there is some scientific evidence that D3 is important. I'm not contesting that evidence.

My point is that scientific evidence and "common sense" are very different sorts of things; in common use, "common sense" means something that is observable without education or technical training.

In general, I think "common sense" is less useful that the knowledge you can gain through dedicated work of educated scientists and statisticians.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by sharmi »

DrScump wrote: post #70
sharmi wrote: post #52

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As a counterexample, I tried to fast from 8PM to 11PM and it triggered a starvation response in me and 4 days in, it made binge on what ever I set my eyes on. I do a bulk of moving around in the morning. So maybe I should do it in the evening, may be like a 7AM to 5PM. I am a woman. So the physiological differences may also come into play. I dunno. I am just adding this comment because, invariably articles on food &…

I tried to fast from 8PM to 11PM I hope you meant 11 AM .

Yes.
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