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Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by starjockey »

lsc wrote: post #42
starjockey wrote: post #39

Are they doing the exercises outside?Maybe they are measuring the effects of normalized vitamin D3 levels... I smell a great purge in healthy articles.Myself im going to stick to my guns and common sense http://www.unz.com/jthompson/diet-is-iq-test/

You used 'vitamin D3 levels' and 'just use common sense' in the same post. You have no way of knowing if vitamin D3 makes any difference at all without delving into scientific literature and statistics.

You know im just a programmer,right? http://www.timeforwellness.org/blog-view/vitamin-d-improves-...

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by sharmi »

dvt wrote: post #4

This is only tangentially related, but I've been practicing intermittent fasting for the past year, and I cannot recommend it enough -- it honestly changed my life. I feel better, I sleep more regularly, I have more energy, and my mind is more alert. I only eat from 12PM to 8PM. IF is also supposed to have an impact on your microbiome, reduce inflammation, and encourage autophagy (especially in the brain). PS: Please…

As a counterexample, I tried to fast from 8PM to 11PM and it triggered a starvation response in me and 4 days in, it made binge on what ever I set my eyes on. I do a bulk of moving around in the morning. So maybe I should do it in the evening, may be like a 7AM to 5PM. I am a woman. So the physiological differences may also come into play. I dunno.

I am just adding this comment because, invariably articles on food & health results in comments about intermittent fasting with glowing reviews. It really does marvels for some/many. There are also cases like me for whom it does seems to hurt. Maybe I am approaching it wrong. Just adding my anecdote for a balanced view.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by Graziano_M »

barrkel wrote: post #35
dvt wrote: post #4

This is only tangentially related, but I've been practicing intermittent fasting for the past year, and I cannot recommend it enough -- it honestly changed my life. I feel better, I sleep more regularly, I have more energy, and my mind is more alert. I only eat from 12PM to 8PM. IF is also supposed to have an impact on your microbiome, reduce inflammation, and encourage autophagy (especially in the brain). PS: Please…

I've only eaten at 12 noon and 8pm for years, but just because that's lunch and dinner and I don't eat breakfast. I wasn't aware it could be called fasting.

Why do you think breakfast is called 'break fast'?

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by dnate »

log_base_login wrote: post #12
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6

I dropped all forms of sugar and corn syrup a few months ago. I was never a health nut. Quite the opposite. It's incredible how much your physiology alters just from that. Water tastes good now. I used to drink water with crystal light, because it was so bland. Shed 20lbs without even exercising. I eat bananas, apples, peanut butter and chicken. Learned to cook a few things. You sort of have to, if you want to avoid…

While I applaud your efforts to eat well, I'd posit that with some attention, you could measurably decrease the expense if you factor in certain foods and factor out others. For example, I enjoy tacos as lunch a few times a week. I make them from scratch, and while this doesn't adhere to your recommendation of no starches, I doubt they cost me $1.00 per taco, and that's with avocado, beans, onions, and peppers (plus…

I am quite surprised to see a recommendation to shop at Walmart on HN. I thought it was common knowledge that Walmart is a pretty terrible company and that people shouldn't support that?

Sure, you save money, but at what cost?

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by tormeh »

astura wrote: post #21
drdrey wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP's remarkable point is that she is restricting food groups, not calories.

Yes, I am aware, my point stands. I highly suspect any diet that restricts most food groups will produce similar effects no matter what the food groups are. It's far from "remarkable," its what happens when you micromanage your diet plus a small dose of the placebo effect. People have written exactly the same thing about a high carb vegan diet, for example. My mother in law also has a "I just don't eat [several rando…

Don't think so. Carbohydrates-heavy foods are the foods most associated with weight gain. Sugar is pretty bad, though not as bad as potato chips, fries etc.

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by wpietri »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6

I dropped all forms of sugar and corn syrup a few months ago. I was never a health nut. Quite the opposite. It's incredible how much your physiology alters just from that. Water tastes good now. I used to drink water with crystal light, because it was so bland. Shed 20lbs without even exercising. I eat bananas, apples, peanut butter and chicken. Learned to cook a few things. You sort of have to, if you want to avoid…

Yeah, I'm definitely the same way. I experience a number of clear shifts when I'm off refined carbs. Hunger, energy level, mood, inflammation level (e.g., joint pain). Fruit is fine. I fell off the wagon while with family over Christmas and I'm eager to work my way back.

Regarding cooking, I'm a big fan of the Instant Pot, the countertop pressure cooker. Tonight I made pork shoulder over cabbage [1] with root vegetables [2]. Meal cost is something like $4, and the leftovers keep and freeze well. I've even worked out a deal with a friend where we cook extra and swap.

[1] http://nomnompaleo.com/post/111934821818/pressure-cooker-kal... (also try it with a softboiled egg on top; the hot yolk is stellar on the pork)

[2] http://nomnompaleo.com/2017/11/06/instant-pot-autumn-mash

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by ak39 »

sdrothrock wrote: post #41
ak39 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://medium.com/the-mission/the-sweet-spot-for-intermitte... According to Jason Fung the sweet spot is 18 to 24 hours of fasting for fat loss and autophagy benefits. A 48hr fast shows better results for autophagy but the question of sustainable life style then emerges for the 48 hr schedule. I fast for 20 hours everyday eating once in the evening. My anecdata confirms that it works for fat loss and improved mornin…

How large (calorically, macros if you know) are your evening meals?

I rarely exceed 2000 calories.

I am small framed (68 kg), what they'd call at the gym "skinny fat". I'm in my mid-forties with noticeable fat around the abdomen. I have never been obese to be concerned about fat accumulation but I have vowed to never grow older AND fatter. :-) I've been doing IF as habit now with some success not only because of my work schedule primarily being in the morning but also because I have to dash out of the house for school runs after the emotionally exhausting work of herding cats out of bed (food in the throes of such trauma doesn't appeal to me). Also, I can get 6 hours of concentrated work done when I know I have no breakfast to think about before fetching the boys from school.

I have noticed accelerated loss of fat (I have fat calipers to measure) when I remove bread, pasta, rice and nuts for three consecutive days of the week.

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Post by cageface »

sa46 wrote: post #38
cycrutchfield wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting x mg of fructose from eating an apple is significantly different than ingesting x mg of fructose from a soda, for example. Don’t be pedantic.

I don't see any pedantry. OP said they dropped all sugar which would imply natural sugars as well. > I dropped all forms of sugar and corn syrup a few months ago. [...] > I eat bananas, apples, peanut butter and chicken. Learned to cook a few things. It's not clear to me why sugar from an apple is better than sugar from soda. Can you explain or link to a source?

Carbohydrates are metabolized very differently when consumed along with fiber. This is why the glycemic load of apple juice is about twice as high as an apple and white rice is about twice as high as brown rice:

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/glyce...

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Post by lsc »

abcd_f wrote: post #37
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #6

I dropped all forms of sugar and corn syrup a few months ago. I was never a health nut. Quite the opposite. It's incredible how much your physiology alters just from that. Water tastes good now. I used to drink water with crystal light, because it was so bland. Shed 20lbs without even exercising. I eat bananas, apples, peanut butter and chicken. Learned to cook a few things. You sort of have to, if you want to avoid…

> Shed 20lbs without even exercising. Simply not drinking carbonated soda will do that. Ditto counting calories with no changes to the diet composition. Pasta is fine, potatoes are OK, even deep fried ones. Just eat less, basically, and you will shed weight.

It's true, of course, that "just eating less" will cause you to lose weight. That part is not controversial, if you discount the fringe. However, there is evidence that this is a lot harder than it sounds, which is why we all have these weird diets in an effort to get ourselves to eat less.

Being fat is pretty terrible; Not only does it feel physically bad, but everyone seems to feel it's okay to pick on you about it, because, as we all know, how much you eat has a lot to do with it. Stop putting food in your mouth, am I right?

However, statistically speaking, once you are obese, there's an extremely, uh, slim chance of you attaining and keeping a healthy weight for any period of time.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2015.30277...

This indicates that to go from having a long term obese BMI to long term 'normal' bmi, you have to have willpower in the top 1% (If we're assuming it's mostly willpower, and I don't have a better model)

Re: Exercise Alters Our Microbiome

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Post by dvt »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #33
dvt wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It cannot possibly be that important if the only difference between your eating schedule and the norm is that you omit breakfast and midnight snacks. And yet it is[1]. To borrow from Nassim Taleb, humans have a terrible habit of undervaluing small incremental change and overvaluing large sweeping change. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/

Well TIL that I have been “intermittent fasting” for my entire adult life. Edit: your linked article is a study on rats which intermittently fasted for periods of 24-48 hours. That is a very far cry from what you have described.

> Well TIL that I have been “intermittent fasting” for my entire adult life.

If you snack at night or until midnight (or drink any sugary drinks at night), as many casually do, no you haven't. You'd need to make sure that calories are completely restricted when the feeding window closes.

Check out this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8238506 done on adult men -- with that said, IF hasn't been studied much. My original post is purely anecdotal. YMMV.

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