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No, they were a product that did not require goggles or glasses or anything. They promised that you could see the effects without any glasses or contacts or anything on your face. Either they engaged in highly illegal false advertising about their current product or their old product was too magic and futuristic so they cancelled it. Not sure which. But they pivoted from a non-goggles technology to a googles-technolo…
Oh wow, ok yeah.. I don't remember those claims at all, how would that even have been possible? The first time I heard of ML was the Wired piece, and I think that one was already referring to glasses. edit: Like the other comment here says, I just went back and checked a few places (Wikipedia and other articles) and it seems they've always been about glasses..
Magic Leap House of Cards – FSD, Waveguides, and Focus Planes
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, they were a product that did not require goggles or glasses or anything. They promised that you could see the effects without any glasses or contacts or anything on your face. Either they engaged in highly illegal false advertising about their current product or their old product was too magic and futuristic so they cancelled it. Not sure which. But they pivoted from a non-goggles technology to a googles-technolo…
Whoa, hold on there, Magic Leap never promised anything like that. No official marketing, patent or legal documents or anyone familiar with the space said anything about a form factor that was anything other than glasses ever.
In the circles I run in, it was fairly well known that it was some type of fiber optic light scanning and "lightfield" technology. They shared this officially with their investors as well.
Here is one of their investor documents from late-2013:
http://www.kguttag.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2013-07-12...
On page 37, it states "Enabled by Proprietary Scanning Fiber Projector"
Page 148 "Enabled by Proprietary Ultralightweight protection and true lightfield technology."
Also look at how light the googles are in the fundraising documents, and compare to the huge v1 release they have just released pictures of. Night and day difference.
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#43You're not going to find the technical truth on this blog. Look at the history of posts; the author clearly believes that Magic Leap is fraudulent at its core and wants to prove it. Everything Magic Leap does/says is attacked from that inherently biased position. Any facts or data presented on the blog will be with that goal in mind, and any facts or data that support the opposite will be downplayed or omitted. I don…
Why not drop the ad hominem and address the numbers presented?
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#44You're not going to find the technical truth on this blog. Look at the history of posts; the author clearly believes that Magic Leap is fraudulent at its core and wants to prove it. Everything Magic Leap does/says is attacked from that inherently biased position. Any facts or data presented on the blog will be with that goal in mind, and any facts or data that support the opposite will be downplayed or omitted. I don…
A lot of experienced people in the computer graphics industry doubt Magic Leap and their claims -- myself included. It is a fact that what ML started out saying they were going to do is not what they are currently doing. And what they are currently doing is incredibly similar now to the Hololens. > I don't know whether Magic Leap actually will produce anything of merit, but this blog won't help anyone find out. I thi…
The author of the post is trying to prove the negative, that ML can not succeed because GP can not reconcile a successful solution from the the disclosed technologies, or that one does not exist. This may be true, but can not be proven.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Had to look that saying up [0], but it seems like it’s just a made-up thing to help people who aren’t scientists cope with that fact. [0] https://www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.asp
Not disagreeing that the saying may be made up, but Scientist != engineer. This is Especially applicable here in photonics and sight. Most engineering works in approximations that get taught as rules. One needs to be very careful of the assumptions they're making about the physical world and eyesight when discussing AR.
>Scientist != engineer
Evaluates to false. Engineering is applied science, and thus all engineers are in fact scientists.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whoa, hold on there, Magic Leap never promised anything like that. No official marketing, patent or legal documents or anyone familiar with the space said anything about a form factor that was anything other than glasses ever.
In the circles I run in, it was fairly well known that it was some type of fiber optic light scanning and "lightfield" technology. They shared this officially with their investors as well. Here is one of their investor documents from late-2013: http://www.kguttag.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2013-07-12... On page 37, it states "Enabled by Proprietary Scanning Fiber Projector" Page 148 "Enabled by Proprietary Ultral…
Right, as I said it's always been known to be glasses.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, they were a product that did not require goggles or glasses or anything. They promised that you could see the effects without any glasses or contacts or anything on your face. Either they engaged in highly illegal false advertising about their current product or their old product was too magic and futuristic so they cancelled it. Not sure which. But they pivoted from a non-goggles technology to a googles-technolo…
Whoa, hold on there, Magic Leap never promised anything like that. No official marketing, patent or legal documents or anyone familiar with the space said anything about a form factor that was anything other than glasses ever.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh wow, ok yeah.. I don't remember those claims at all, how would that even have been possible? The first time I heard of ML was the Wired piece, and I think that one was already referring to glasses. edit: Like the other comment here says, I just went back and checked a few places (Wikipedia and other articles) and it seems they've always been about glasses..
Remember this? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/09/magic_leap_neither_... https://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/comments/3q5bxc/magic_leap... https://www.cnet.com/news/magic-leap-shows-demo-video/
From your links:
The hardware is yet to be revealed (but it'll presumably use a headset)
they waved away the fact that reducing it down to a wearable pair of glasses and an affordable computer was far from inevitable.
The truth is that Magic Leap cannot get its huge prototype working in a much, much smaller version.
Nobody who knows anything about AR ever thought it was anything but some form of glasses.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Remember this? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/09/magic_leap_neither_... https://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/comments/3q5bxc/magic_leap... https://www.cnet.com/news/magic-leap-shows-demo-video/
From your links: The hardware is yet to be revealed (but it'll presumably use a headset) they waved away the fact that reducing it down to a wearable pair of glasses and an affordable computer was far from inevitable. The truth is that Magic Leap cannot get its huge prototype working in a much, much smaller version. Nobody who knows anything about AR ever thought it was anything but some form of glasses.
I would argue that the number of people who know much about the technical side of this is less than a rounding error against the population who watched that demo.
Edit: Given the seeming impossibility of an FSD like the one they’re still selling to investors, it may be ML’s investors are not part of the “know much about...” side.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of experienced people in the computer graphics industry doubt Magic Leap and their claims -- myself included. It is a fact that what ML started out saying they were going to do is not what they are currently doing. And what they are currently doing is incredibly similar now to the Hololens. > I don't know whether Magic Leap actually will produce anything of merit, but this blog won't help anyone find out. I thi…
The author of the post is trying to prove the negative, that ML can not succeed because GP can not reconcile a successful solution from the the disclosed technologies, or that one does not exist. This may be true, but can not be proven.
Dealing with ML often feels like dealing with climate change deniers.
But ML has pivoted away from nearly all of their major technology advances at this point, so they are much more likely to deliver now what is likely to be an underwhelming product that is little differentiated from Hololens.