How many nuclear powered vessels would it take to generate and pump in sufficient oxygen?
Well, considering most of the atmospheric oxygen is produced by phytoplankton in the ocean that's a receipt for suffocation.
Ocean's Oxygen Starts Running Low (2016)
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#12How many nuclear powered vessels would it take to generate and pump in sufficient oxygen?
Where will you get that oxygen? Where did it come from?
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#13The oceans are by far the most important eco system on the planet, they have tremendous capacity for healing and regeneration but once that gets pushed too far there may be no way back. And without the oceans alive the world will be hungry. There are many bad things the Trump administration might be remembered for domestically but internationally the most visible decision was the withdrawal from the climate change ac…
Posting from a throwaway because politics.
Wouldn't there also be more different fish now especially in places that used to be covered by ice? Sure, some species might die off but you might get more new species as well. Some new fish perhaps that is good at living in lower oxygen concentration. Also, the fish that lived in the tropics can move to subtropics and so on.
I see it as more of a change that's not really bad or good. As Joe Carlin once said, the Earth will be fine.
Here is the clip: https://youtu.be/EjmtSkl53h4
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#14The oceans are by far the most important eco system on the planet, they have tremendous capacity for healing and regeneration but once that gets pushed too far there may be no way back. And without the oceans alive the world will be hungry. There are many bad things the Trump administration might be remembered for domestically but internationally the most visible decision was the withdrawal from the climate change ac…
Posting from a throwaway because politics. Wouldn't there also be more different fish now especially in places that used to be covered by ice? Sure, some species might die off but you might get more new species as well. Some new fish perhaps that is good at living in lower oxygen concentration. Also, the fish that lived in the tropics can move to subtropics and so on. I see it as more of a change that's not really ba…
All levels of the food chain need to be healthy for the bigger fish to survive, no oxygen means no bait fish. Ice levels will be irrelevant.
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#15The oceans are by far the most important eco system on the planet, they have tremendous capacity for healing and regeneration but once that gets pushed too far there may be no way back. And without the oceans alive the world will be hungry. There are many bad things the Trump administration might be remembered for domestically but internationally the most visible decision was the withdrawal from the climate change ac…
Posting from a throwaway because politics. Wouldn't there also be more different fish now especially in places that used to be covered by ice? Sure, some species might die off but you might get more new species as well. Some new fish perhaps that is good at living in lower oxygen concentration. Also, the fish that lived in the tropics can move to subtropics and so on. I see it as more of a change that's not really ba…
Are you serious in quoting a comic guy regarding such a big thing? I mean his goal is to entertain people and not to bring you an expert opinion.
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#16The oceans are by far the most important eco system on the planet, they have tremendous capacity for healing and regeneration but once that gets pushed too far there may be no way back. And without the oceans alive the world will be hungry. There are many bad things the Trump administration might be remembered for domestically but internationally the most visible decision was the withdrawal from the climate change ac…
Posting from a throwaway because politics. Wouldn't there also be more different fish now especially in places that used to be covered by ice? Sure, some species might die off but you might get more new species as well. Some new fish perhaps that is good at living in lower oxygen concentration. Also, the fish that lived in the tropics can move to subtropics and so on. I see it as more of a change that's not really ba…
The adaptations you're talking about happen over centuries.
The changes you're talking about are happening over decades.
These changes will not be limited to just the oceans.
And the main takeaway point from that George Carlin clip that I can find is that the planet will be fine because people won't be. I can only assume you didn't bother to watch it before posting it for others to watch.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's partially related to something akin to the prisoner's dilemma: it's a world-wide problem, and "we" might not want to take the financial hit for being the first in leading the cause. I spent quite some time in South-East Asia the past few years, and when you see the sheer amount of boats that just dump all their trash in the ocean, and the sheer lack of awareness of the issue, it makes you hopeless. I com…
I share your feeling, but I also note this contradiction: > I spent quite some time in South-East Asia > I come home, diligently recycling my trash Not saying you shouldn't recycle your trash, but your flights are much more impactful for the environment than your trash.
Is flying really that bad compared to ocean pollution? I feel like flying is overall a pretty efficient means of transport, everything is geared towards efficiency.
Plastic in the oceans, now that’s a mess.
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#18The oceans are by far the most important eco system on the planet, they have tremendous capacity for healing and regeneration but once that gets pushed too far there may be no way back. And without the oceans alive the world will be hungry. There are many bad things the Trump administration might be remembered for domestically but internationally the most visible decision was the withdrawal from the climate change ac…
Posting from a throwaway because politics. Wouldn't there also be more different fish now especially in places that used to be covered by ice? Sure, some species might die off but you might get more new species as well. Some new fish perhaps that is good at living in lower oxygen concentration. Also, the fish that lived in the tropics can move to subtropics and so on. I see it as more of a change that's not really ba…
It's George Carlin, not joe, and he was a commedian - a good one - not a scientist, and his point, in case you missed it was that humans won't necessarily be around for the earth healing part II.
Earth will be fine, but we, you, me all the other humans, need earth to be healthy so that we can continue to exist, as apex predators we are extremely dependent on the lower branches of the foodchain working properly and all our hydroponics tech won't save us if we don't have oxygen in the air to live off.
Keep in mind that the atmospheric oxygen is there to a very large extent because the oceans act as the planet's lungs.
Lower oxygen in the oceans means less life in the oceans and ultimately less oxygen in the atmosphere, which affects all life on earth, including us. So unless you feel a planet with mostly just plant and insect life is 'fine' you probably need to review that piece a couple of times to get the real impact of it, in which Carlin's prediction is that we won't make it.
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#19The oceans are by far the most important eco system on the planet, they have tremendous capacity for healing and regeneration but once that gets pushed too far there may be no way back. And without the oceans alive the world will be hungry. There are many bad things the Trump administration might be remembered for domestically but internationally the most visible decision was the withdrawal from the climate change ac…
Posting from a throwaway because politics. Wouldn't there also be more different fish now especially in places that used to be covered by ice? Sure, some species might die off but you might get more new species as well. Some new fish perhaps that is good at living in lower oxygen concentration. Also, the fish that lived in the tropics can move to subtropics and so on. I see it as more of a change that's not really ba…
This vastly underestimates human capacity to destroy earth, which is also reason why lost of people do not believe in climate change to begin with.
If we go, all vertebrates go too. At least all cat and bigger sized.
Life will survive, but I would not call if "fine". Is it still fine if it's only microscopic life? When it stops being fine?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's partially related to something akin to the prisoner's dilemma: it's a world-wide problem, and "we" might not want to take the financial hit for being the first in leading the cause. I spent quite some time in South-East Asia the past few years, and when you see the sheer amount of boats that just dump all their trash in the ocean, and the sheer lack of awareness of the issue, it makes you hopeless. I com…
I share your feeling, but I also note this contradiction: > I spent quite some time in South-East Asia > I come home, diligently recycling my trash Not saying you shouldn't recycle your trash, but your flights are much more impactful for the environment than your trash.
Well, it's actually that I spent 2.5 years in the area non-stop, and came back last year pickup up my habits again.
Having said that, I agree with aircraft pollution. And this indeed implies that I recycling is silly compared to other things I do. So this only fuels the apathy I'm starting to feel towards this whole thing.